Seriously, everybody acts as if he is some supreme being. He's not, and without his legendary coach and great teamates, he was nothing more than a great scorer. Why is it then, that he gets so blown up? Sure he was talented, clutch and dedicated, but he didn't change the game. The only thing he ever did was make the game popular. He doesn't hold that many records (only 4, compared to Wilt Chamberlain's 56), and he had a lot of help winning. This overreaction is very apparent when someone tries to compare him to Kobe (moreso than any other comparrison). Kobe is the best in the game and just about IDENTICAL to Jordan in just about every single facet of the game yet, people claim Kobe to be "nowhere near Jordan" and on top of that they say that Kobe or anybody else will ever come close to MJ. Why not? MJ was just a great 2 guard, the greatest player the game has ever seen was Chamberlain yet, people have no problem shooting down his accomplishments. My point is, that half of Jordans success is from all the media hype. So what if a player someday surpasses him, it's alright, things like that happen. Michael Jordan may quite possibly be the single most overrated human being to ever exist. I'm not saying he or his accomplishments weren't great, but I judge him with my eyes open.
Jordan was the icon of his generation. The man all over the place - on TV in the paper. He was a public figure that everyone knew. I've met people in my life in Africa who've never been outside Africa and live in rural areas that know who Michael Jordan is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (grizz101 @ Mar 19 2007, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just noticed, this is a laker fan saying Kobe is as good as MJsurprise surprise</div>lol. that's what I was thinking.From the 80s to the 00s - near 2 decades - Jordan was the best in the game. Jordan won 3 more titles than Kobe. Kobe has yet to even win an MVP. Jordan was part of a 8 year dynasty. Kobe was part of a 4 year dynasty. MJ won 72 games with Pippen. Kobe never came close with Shaq (way better than Pippen). MJ had more success under the same coach. MJ had his problems (gambling) but was never accused of a crime (like rape) that was so national. Kobe has not clearly been the best in the game for a whole year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (grizz101 @ Mar 19 2007, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>your gonna get bashed for this...</div>Ya he will. I dont think many of us were able to actually see MJ play at his best though, except watch clips of his best plays and when his last few years with Washington. But from what I have watched MJ seemed the best. He can carry the whole team and win titles. And was a huge asset during clutch time.
I try and watch every classic Bulls game, and ive probably seen 30 games of him. Hes not just great because of his teammates and coach....its probably vice versa, that they are better because of him. Reports and former players even said MJ coached just as much as Phil did in Chicago...I dont know how much of that is true..buts its been said.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Mar 19 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol. that's what I was thinking.From the 80s to the 00s - near 2 decades - Jordan was the best in the game. Jordan won 3 more titles than Kobe. Kobe has yet to even win an MVP. Jordan was part of a 8 year dynasty. Kobe was part of a 4 year dynasty. MJ won 72 games with Pippen. Kobe never came close with Shaq (way better than Pippen). MJ had more success under the same coach. MJ had his problems (gambling) but was never accused of a crime (like rape) that was so national. Kobe has not clearly been the best in the game for a whole year.</div>The difference is that Jordan LED his team to 6 more championships than Kobe which is what puts him far ahead. He wasn't that much of a better player, so yes it's a lot of media hype. I think you could make a very good argument for Wilt and Russell as being the best.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KobeBryant_24 @ Mar 19 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What about Magic Johnson???</div>He was the best point guard probably, but I definitely would not put him above MJ and some of the big men.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I just noticed, this is a laker fan saying Kobe is as good as MJsurprise surprise</div>Just for the record, I used that as an example because I see it all the time on this site. I wrote that with no bias at all.
Really when Kobe hangs it up, if he wins 4-5 more rings I don't see how you can say Jordan is above and beyond the great Kobe Bryant
You know what's funny about the rings?M.J. LED his team and won finals MVP every single damn timeKobe wasn't even the best player on his team
How was Kobe not better than a fat egotistical baby who couldn't hit a f*cking freethrow. Here's a secret, the game isn't hard when all your shots are 3 feet from the basket.Again, this is not a Kobe/Jordan thread. It's designed to discuss why everybody acts like Jordan created the world.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Mar 19 2007, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How was Kobe not better than a fat egotistical baby who couldn't hit a f*cking freethrow. Here's a secret, the game isn't hard when all your shots are 3 feet from the basket.Again, this is not a Kobe/Jordan thread. It's designed to discuss why everybody acts like Jordan created the world.</div>Wow, just like Wilt Chamberlain!
Uh oh, you got me. Except Wilt was actually athletic, had a jumpshot, could run the floor, didn't rebound like a pussy and could do more than just dunk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Mar 19 2007, 07:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol. that's what I was thinking.From the 80s to the 00s - near 2 decades - Jordan was the best in the game. Jordan won 3 more titles than Kobe. Kobe has yet to even win an MVP. Jordan was part of a 8 year dynasty. Kobe was part of a 4 year dynasty. MJ won 72 games with Pippen. Kobe never came close with Shaq (way better than Pippen). MJ had more success under the same coach. MJ had his problems (gambling) but was never accused of a crime (like rape) that was so national. Kobe has not clearly been the best in the game for a whole year.</div>So you don't believe Kobe was the best player in the league this season and last season? You firmly believe Kobe was not the best player in the game for even a year. So who has been the best player this season and last? MJ had more success under the same coach...sure 3 more rings..but that was because he was able to get along with Pippen and the other guys while Shaq and Kobe were both asses with huge egos that led to Shaq demanding a trade. You say Shaq is better to have than Pippen meaning you believe that a Kobe-Shaq team is better than the MJ-Pippen team. I don't think so. The Bulls that won 72 games in the regular season and won 6 titles? I would much rather have an MJ-Pippen Bulls than Kobe-Shaq Lakers...even more than the 2001 Lakers. YES I SAID IT. The Kobe-Shaq Lakers never came close because the Bulls were a better team and got along while trusting eachother. As far as Kobe not being able to do what Jordan did by leading a team with the same coach...Kobe has no where near the talent/team around him the Jordan led Bulls had. At least Jordan had Pippen.The sexual assault case. Ok. This was made a big deal by the media. They completely blew it out of proportion. There was no evidence of forced entry or that he had assaulted her. Not to mention the bi*ch slept with 2 other guys the same night BEFORE she even told any cop and after being with Kobe. I do think Kobe brought it upon himself by cheating on his wife but nobody deserves to be treated the way Kobe was (especially the year after Shaq left) Oh and you said MJ was the best in the 80 through the 90's...I beg to differ. Magic was the best player in the 80's and Larry Bird was a better player than as well. Michael owned the 90's as Kobe is owning the league today.
The main goal of basketball for every team is to lead your team is it not?Wilt only led his team to it all once (He won two rings, but one of them was when he was 36 and worn out)Shaq? he has four rings.Wilt is clutch? Hell noHE LOST THREE GAME SEVEN'S IN THE NBA FINALS!Between 2000-2003 Shaq averaged around 28 and 14 in the preseason...oh and this wasn't a center dominated game at the time, and in the postseason in the clutch time, shaq DID hit his free throws.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LakersFan247 @ Mar 19 2007, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you don't believe Kobe was the best player in the league this season and last season? You firmly believe Kobe was not the best player in the game for even a year. So who has been the best player this season and last? MJ had more success under the same coach...sure 3 more rings..but that was because he was able to get along with Pippen and the other guys while Shaq and Kobe were both asses with huge egos that led to Shaq demanding a trade. You say Shaq is better to have than Pippen meaning you believe that a Kobe-Shaq team is better than the MJ-Pippen team. I don't think so. The Bulls that won 72 games in the regular season and won 6 titles? I would much rather have an MJ-Pippen Bulls than Kobe-Shaq Lakers...even more than the 2001 Lakers. YES I SAID IT. The Kobe-Shaq Lakers never came close because the Bulls were a better team. As far as Kobe not being able to do what Jordan did by leading a team with the same coach...Kobe has no where near the talent/team around him the Jordan led Bulls had. At least Jordan had Pippen.The sexual assault case. Ok. This was made a big deal by the media. They completely blew it out of proportion. There was no evidence of forced entry or that he had assaulted her. Not to mention the bi*ch slept with 2 other guys the same night BEFORE she even told any cop and after being with Kobe. I do think Kobe brought it upon himself by cheating on his wife but nobody deserves to be treated the way Kobe was (especially the year after Shaq left) Oh and you said MJ was the best in the 80 through the 90's...I beg to differ. Magic was the best player in the 80's and Larry Bird was a better player than as well. Michael owned the 90's as Kobe is owning the league today.</div>Has Kobe Bryant ever won an NBA MVP?
