<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p> A Mike Bibby-to-the-Lakers deal reportedly fell apart last spring, alternately because the Maloofs didn't want to help the Lakers and because the trade offer sucked. Los Angeles almost assuredly needs help to make any sort of a run this year, and friend-o'-StR Kurt from Forum Blue & Gold describes his preferred options:</p> </p> <div class="blockquote">1) Trade Odom and filler to bring in a true number two star to this team. That player would likely have to be a four, someone to provide toughness and defense that Bynum is inconsistent at right now, but there may be other options I'm not seeing. 2) Trade one of the young point guards, Kwame Brown's expiring contract and filler at the trade deadline to bring in a high quality player who can compliment Kobe, Odom and Bynum and make the Lakers a contender. I'm not sure if this player is out there yet, but the season is young. (This was always the theory with the now likely dead Jermaine O'Neal talks -- from my perspective you needed Kobe, Odom and the JO of old to compete, so to offer Odom and Bynum for JO was a lateral move. Right now, with the way he is banged up, there is no way we should give up Bynum for JO.)</p> </div> That second scenario sounds a bit like Ron Artest, no? Ron-Ron actually might fit into either scenario; his defense and versatile scoring might help L.A. more than Odom's offense and rebounding does. I think in either case, however, Petrie would be looking to unload a contract as well. Dollar-wise, that'd need to be the case in the first scenario as Odom makes $6 million more than Artest. While I'd be thrilled with, say, Artest and Kenny Thomas for Odom and <Jordan Farmar or Javaris Crittenton>, I can't see the Lakers pulling the trigger.</p> (And why would I be thrilled? Odom's a talented offensive player who has responded best through his career to a stern coach [Stan Van Gundy], and his big deal comes off the books in 2009, the same year as Mike Bibby's. That would make the Kings HUGE players in the market that summer, with only Brad Miller and Kevin Martin taking up major chunks of 2009-10 cash.)</p> Again, I don't see it... and neither does Mike Bresnaham of the Los Angeles Times, who says the Lakers wouldn't give up anyone of consequence for Artest. I'd assume Kwame Brown would fall under 'not of consequence,' but Artest for an expiring and even a pick doesn't get the job done. He has plenty of value in the market, I'd surmise.</p> But most of us expect the Kings to do something; almost everyone expect the Lakers to do something at some point. While Andrew Bynum's (rightfully) off the table, so are guys like Jason Kidd. Petrie, through his patience, has remained in a position of strength -- he doesn't have to trade either Artest or Bibby now. Other teams, like the Lakers, are in no such position to be patient. If nothing major happens before then, the second week of February is going to be a helluva time. At some point, Kenny Thomas might not look like such a terrible cost for someone aiming for the championship. We can hope, at least.</div></p> Source: Sactown Royalty</p>
<font style="background-color: #e7effe">I don't think the Lakers need Bibby with Fish and Farmar doing a pretty descent job at the PG position. I would kill to have Artest on our team, while his attitude may be a gamble, I think he's worth trading for and it would be good for him to play alongside a contender like Kobe. He brings that defense that we can get from Kwame plus scoring! He would be a good fit here..</font></p>
HAHA........... I WISH we could get Kevin Martin. Yeah, we don't need Bibby. We'll take him if it doesn't cost one of our younger players and if it makes for a more even trade.</p> Bibby and Artest for LO, Kwame, cash, 2nd Rd. Draft Pick. Do we even have any 2nd round picks?</p>
The Maloofs aren't going to help us out by sending Artest to LA. They still think Sacramento is a historic rival of theirs. LOL.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakerman34)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> HAHA........... I WISH we could get Kevin Martin. Yeah, we don't need Bibby. We'll take him if it doesn't cost one of our younger players and if it makes for a more even trade.</p> Bibby and Artest for LO, Kwame, cash, 2nd Rd. Draft Pick. Do we even have any 2nd round picks?</p> </div></p> Yea that trade would rock but we would have a log jam at the PG with Bibby, Fish and Farmar...</p> I'd at least hope for Artest for Kwame + 2nd rd pick</p> </p>
I would still try and trade LO+Brown+1st Rd. Pick+Cash to Sacramento for Bibby+Artest. Then, I'd turn to NY. Since NY is pretty likely to get rid of Stephon Marbury, send Bibby their way with a 2nd Rd. Pick and cash for their 1st Rd. Pick.</p> <u>We Lose:</u><u> </u>-Lamar Odom<u> </u>-Kwame Brown -1st Rd. Pick -2nd Rd. Pick -Wad of Cash</p> <u>We Receive: </u>-Ron Artest -NY's First Rd. Pick</p> Thoughts? <u> </u></p>
We wouldn't be able to trade Bibby to the Knicks without receiving some players back to match Bibby's salary. I'm not sure why Sacramento would make this trade either. The Kings and Knicks could get a deal done without involving the Lakers at all. I'm sure the Knicks would welcome both Bibby & Artest and the Kings would want that 1st rounder for their rebuilding efforts.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> We wouldn't be able to trade Bibby to the Knicks without receiving some players back to match Bibby's salary. I'm not sure why Sacramento would make this trade either. The Kings and Knicks could get a deal done without involving the Lakers at all. I'm sure the Knicks would welcome both Bibby & Artest and the Kings would want that 1st rounder for their rebuilding efforts.</p> </div></p> I think he was suggesting Bibby to the Knicks for Marbury. The salaries are close enough that a deal could be done easily.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> We wouldn't be able to trade Bibby to the Knicks without receiving some players back to match Bibby's salary. I'm not sure why Sacramento would make this trade either. The Kings and Knicks could get a deal done without involving the Lakers at all. I'm sure the Knicks would welcome both Bibby & Artest and the Kings would want that 1st rounder for their rebuilding efforts.</p> </div></p> I think he was suggesting Bibby to the Knicks for Marbury. The salaries are close enough that a deal could be done easily.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> That is what I was implying. Also, Kwame Brown brings good interior defense and is an attraction to teams because of his high salary that can be dumped over the summer.</p>
If Marbury ends up on the Lakers that's a big NO THANK YOU. He's worse than Odom and massive expiring contracts aren't as valuable like they were a few years ago. Teams have had time to figure out how to get under the luxury tax and no longer put themselves in a position to panic and make bad deals just to save money.</p> Some recent large expiring contracts that didn't net anything back. Tim Thomas, Chris Webber, and Jalen Rose. The last big contract that was used in a deal for cap cutting space was the Zach Randolph-Stevie Francis deal. The Blazers didn't want Randolph around their younger players anymore because he's a team cancer.</p> Kings wouldn't benefit from Kwame's contract much because Ron Artest is also an expiring contract, and Artest is obviously a better player than Kwame, keeps the team in the headlines and puts fans in the seats.</p> </p> </p>
Marbury ends up in SacTown, Bibby in NY, Kwame and LO in SacTown, Artest in LA, and NY's highest pick in next year's draft to LA. I also wouldn't mind just handing Crittenton over to NY to spice up their end of the deal because we are going to get Mayo or Beasley with their pick. I also have another trade idea: Trade LO and Turiaf (Trade Acception) to Minnesota for Buckner, Gerald Green, and Marko Jaric. This is more a trade for the future. Then, we trade Marko Jaric to a mediocre team for a pick between #10-15 in the draft. OR we can trade Jaric to Charlotte for Hermann.</p>
Marbury ends up in Sactown? It wouldn't work because the Lakers are sending out $25M in contracts and taking back only $8M.</p>
So then we keep Bibby, and then send Bibby off to NY along w/ Crittenton for Malik Rose, Jerome James, and 1st Rd. Pick. How about that? James and Rose aren't very productive in NY.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'> If Marbury ends up on the Lakers that's a big NO THANK YOU. He's worse than Odom and massive expiring contracts aren't as valuable like they were a few years ago. Teams have had time to figure out how to get under the luxury tax and no longer put themselves in a position to panic and make bad deals just to save money.</p> Some recent large expiring contracts that didn't net anything back. Tim Thomas, Chris Webber, and Jalen Rose. The last big contract that was used in a deal for cap cutting space was the Zach Randolph-Stevie Francis deal. The Blazers didn't want Randolph around their younger players anymore because he's a team cancer.</p> Kings wouldn't benefit from Kwame's contract much because Ron Artest is also an expiring contract, and Artest is obviously a better player than Kwame, keeps the team in the headlines and puts fans in the seats.</p></div> I don't think this is quite right. The expiring contracts are just as valuable as ever, it's just the teams that had the expiring contracts didn't want to take back big salaries in return for a trade. Let me talk about each of the players you bolded above... The Bulls could have traded Thomas for a star player with big contract, but chose to play in the FA market and signed Ben Wallace (in effect, it was a trade of sorts - Thomas' contract for Wallace's). Webber wasn't an expiring contract when he was bought out. Toronto is $2M below the LT Threshold - AFTER letting Rose's contract expire; if they traded him for a similar sized contract, they'd be paying the LT.</p> FWIW, Artest has a quite reasonable contract at $7.4M.</p> </p>
