Mike Rice last week: "Three-way trade dead ....for now"

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  1. Fez Hammersticks

    Fez Hammersticks スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    Hmm...
     
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    The Wallace for picks thing back in play then?
     
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  3. Natebishop3

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    As said before, if we deal Wallace we better be getting back unprotected lotto picks.
     
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    Got to be honest with you... I don't know how I feel with Wallace for just picks. Yeah this is a strong draft, but we got at least 3-4 solid years out of Wallace. I would hate for us to make this deal and not have competent GM or management to make the right picks.
     
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    Gerald Wallace for mid-to-late lottery protected 1st round draft picks

    lmfao
     
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    I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot in this forum. What if we had a bunch of mid to late first rounders and cap space and offered it for Wallace? I wonder how this forum would laugh at anyone that even offered it.
     
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    I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot in this forum. What if we had a bunch of mid to late first rounders and cap space and offered it for Wallace? I wonder how this forum would laugh at anyone that even offered it.
     
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    My concern about the 4 first rounders is, supposedly NJ was offering up 5 total, us getting 4, Orlando getting 1.
    NJ 2012 1st, houston lotto protected 2012 1st. 2014 1st, 2016 1st, 2018 1st.
    If we got a Houston lotto protected 1st(until 2016, then turns to a 2nd rounder) and then picks in 2014, 16 and 18, I wouldn't be super thrilled with the deal.
     
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    The only way I do it is for Orlando's first (NOT protected). Otherwise, fuck that.

    Mag, what makes you so sure he'll stay here or that we will want to sink cap space into him?
     
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    Asking for unprotected picks from a team that's likely is going to suck for a while for a 29 y/o is greedy.

    I think we parlay the four 1st rounders into a package that brings in an upgrade at the 1 or 2.
     
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    I'd rather keep Gerald Wallace. Our chances of getting a comparable player with those non-lotto picks are very slim. You can only develop so many guys. We don't need all those picks.
     
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    I doubt Wallace is being moved now, after the Crawford signing. Unless the haul is really good (4 late 1sts is not a good haul).
     
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    Agreed. 4 late 1sts spread out over an extended period aren't that helpful. A brilliant GM *might* turn them into something of value....but we don't have one of those.
     
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    remind me again, what it took to GET Gerald Wallace? Was it more than 4 1sts?

    Getting "4 late firsts" doesn't mean you're picking the 30th-best player each draft. It means that you have a piece of currency that has some standard value, and is liquid enough that it can be passed around in trades.

    Just like last year, when it was more valuable to have a late-lotto/mid-first round pick from NOH rather than Jerryd Bayless. I don't think we get Wallace if we say "Joel, Dante, Bayless and a 2013 first."
     
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    That's exactly what 4 extra picks represent. For some reason most people just zero in on the pick and player it represents on the Blazers' roster. Personally I could give a shit if any of those theoretical picks ever don a Blazers' uniform. They're pieces of currency as you say and in particularly strong drafts they can represent pretty valuable pieces of currency if you possess both extra picks and cap room -- there's a decent chance of trading them for both immediate help in the form of a player you like or possibly moving up if you're willing to take on dead salary.

    At some point this team will have a GM and we can only hope they are above average in their competence to negotiate trades. Giving that person extra chips when they take the job also increases the likelihood of attracting a desirable candidate when there are so many other "complications" with the Blazers' GM position.
     
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    We haven't had anyone who could do that since Bob Whitsitt. So keep Gerald Wallace unless we get real value, not potential value which depends upon our GM's talent.
     
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    I think it's easier to say a pick this year for a marginal playoff team, maybe, in trade than it is to say we'll give you a 2018 first round pick. Yes, it's a piece to use in deals. But one that far in the future is going to have a lot less value in deals.
     
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    tell that to Det (2003), CLE (2011) and Min (2012).
     
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    Tell them what?
     
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    nevermind, I misread what you said. My meaning was that there is value in long-range, throw-in picks. Like the one in the 1998 trade that ended up being the #2 in 2003, or the one from the Marko Jaric trade that could be a high lotto one this year. You're right that farther-out picks bring you less in return than ones this year, but they're still good to stockpile.
     
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