<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Warriors forward Matt Barnes heads home to Sacramento this week with one thing on his mind: making the playoffs with his new team. That would be his fifth team in four years, and hopefully his last for a while. "I want to stay here," said Barnes, a free agent to be. "I hope everyone knows that I want to stay here and play here for a long time, because I love it." The Warriors have likewise loved having Barnes at the bargain rate of $771,331, but the forward figures to be in line for a modest pay bump this summer. He started 13 games for injury-depleted Golden State earlier this year and is averaging career-bests of 9.7 points, 4.4 rebounds and 2 assists in 23.7 minutes per game. </div> Source
What would be a reasonable price to keep him at? Would he take a veteran's minimum? How about $2-3m/year? He had better get hot or else he will be with another team. He started off wonderfully, but for the last month or so we are just holding our breath, hoping he does not make a mistake. He has won a few games for us and is decent. I would like to see him stick around for less than the MLE...
I would offer him $772,000 and not a penny more... that is the modest bump he is worth.... go to your sixth team barnes ..... now az i would offer that 2 mil too and MP i would offer 1 mil at most. BArnes and MP need new homes..... i am tired of the moronic plays.... the mishandling of the ball..... the ridiculous shot selection..... and so on
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would offer him $772,000 and not a penny more... that is the modest bump he is worth.... go to your sixth team barnes ..... now az i would offer that 2 mil too and MP i would offer 1 mil at most. BArnes and MP need new homes..... i am tired of the moronic plays.... the mishandling of the ball..... the ridiculous shot selection..... and so on</div> I understand some frustration, but dont you think you are going a little bit overboard? He won some games for us, he was hot as hell for a while there. AZ has hardly proved himself. Barnes has played much more than AZ. I too am a little tired of MPs stupid plays, but when he was money from the corner and that dunk he had the other day, OMG sign that man up...
As long as he's coming off the bench and knowing his role on the team I am fine with resigning him. Pietrus IMO, has more negatives than positives. If anything Barnes might be first on my list then AZ and i'll think about pietrus. But first we need to get rid of Foyle's contract! he's getting paid millions to be a fan!
I agree with boogielew, we need smarter, more consistent, all-around perimeter play with the same athleticism and willingness to take the contact. The problem a lot of times is we end up getting one or the other. We can't find something in between Pietrus and Dunleavy with the effectiveness and results of a one-time all-star like moderately aged/healthy Clif Robinson or a Nick Van Exel. That just sucks. Hopefully, we get a Shane Battier, a Brandon Roy, a Josh Howard, a Matt Harpring, a Gerald Wallace, or a Andres Noccioni somewhere down the line that is a perimeter player but can go inside and either make great passes or earn extra possessions for us. I mean we're talking any type of player that plays like a vet and starts with intensity on defense first and can do other things well enough to start like chemistry stuff or offense. We got guys with no consistency or that many positive intangibles. I think Pietrus is not good enough to start unless he plays the bigger positions because his perimeter game is really inconsistent and still very raw compared to 2003 year. He rebounds, blocks shots, but he's not even at least 6'8 240 lbs which I think is bare minimum matchup for power forward. He's not like Diaw or Lamar Odom SF/PF's that are smart enough to run plays and have the game to take advantage of size. He's not even that great on defense anymore unless he's guarding lightweight two guards or big point guards. Even then, we still have Ellis and he's probably more effective playing the ballhawk style of defense without committing as many dumb fouls. Pietrus seems to just commit so many stupid fouls, it's hard to admire his lateral quickness and extremely long, quick arms anymore. Pietrus just doesn't cut it anymore... Might as well find us a Ray Allen type if we want a replacement. Maybe that could be Azubuike, who knows? Azu lacks the nba body (average or only decentwingspan, size, etc), but he's got good athleticsm, smarts, and is decent on both ends of the floor. He also makes free throws, which Pietrus seems to suck at still. Not sure about Azu's ballhandling, but I'd imagine it would still be better than Pietrus' because Azu has more natural skill in both the mind and the way his shooting guard game already is. I look at Pietrus I don't see any two guard in his game, except for the way he moves laterally and his occasional drives taking off one foot. Barnes to me is the same way as Pietrus. Not a very natural player. He's effective if he's playing more like a set-shooting power forward with a midrange post game. He's had some moments where he filled the stat sheet with assists, steals, blocks, three pointers, etc, but man he won't put it together if his mind keeps thinking shoot, shoot, shoot. He's not as dumb as Pietrus IMO, but he's as bad as Derek Fisher and doesn't quite pack the shooting skill as he. I'd like to re-sign Barnes if he can return to those times where he put up great numbers in two games and reporters were talking about this guy like he's a star. He sounds smart in a tv interview where he talked as if he knew what he was trying to accomplish, but it's just dumb when he's playing outside his limits. BTW I said "sounded smart" because Pietrus and guys like him had these moments last year where they couldn't even explain after the game why they chose to react to something by fouling or doing something dumb. It's like they didn't even know what they did even after the fact. Oblivious... I think Foyle + Pietrus have to go before Barnes. Those two are just so dumb when it comes to basketball and decision-making.
Sorry my post got long. I actually change my mind. Barnes should go before Pietrus if Pietrus doesn't get greedy with the money. He's a limited guy, he shouldn't get Dunleavy or Murphy or Fisher money. Nobody is really worthy of that now except for two of the rooks. I still like Pietrus' defense at times. I mean the guy blocks, rebounds, and steals the ball. We need more guys like that. I just hope he doesn't cost us the game in something important... like the playoffs... if we get there in a decent position to do something great, I mean. I can just see Pietrus or Foyle or whoever we need badly, starts doing something dumb when it really matters.
If Foyle was not making $10m per year we could afford to pay guys like Barnes and not complain about it. And as far as wanting something better like a Wallace, Roy, Allen etc keep asking for All Star SFs, but you cant have a team of all stars...
Imagine Andris Biedrins, Gerald Wallace and Josh Smith on the same team. Not sure how good they'd be defensively but they'd lead the league in blocks, however the outside shooting game would be severely lacking.
I've got a good feeling about this draft. So many interesting swingmen or combo guard prospects. Here's the guys I'm watching out for: Alando Tucker Morris Almond Nick Young Rudy Fernandez Marco Bellinelli Thadeus Young Nick Young Those guys I think have a better mix of athleticsm, skill, smarts, and intangibles than Pietrus or Barnes. And they'll run cheaper for a little while. There's some pretty interesting players from that group, but of course like all interesting players, there's question marks. Are the euros strong enough to play more physical nba ball? Is Thadeus Young ready? What is the best mix of nba readiness and upside at any position, not just those guys.
I said it before ..... our 2nd round pick should go to selecting brandon heath..... he is a combo guard .... clutch.... heady player.... a leader .... and a guy who steps up when you need it.... he had that odd floater ala van exel or parker.... but lights it up from deep as well... can act as a back up point guard for us far more effective in Nellie's system than anyone we curretly have.... Nellie's system could make this guy make Heath seem like another steal in the 2nd round And just because BArnes had a few good games .... dont forget some of the moronic plays he made that cost us games? the rebound he went hollywood rebounding it and it fell out of his hands out of bounds early in the season.... and a few timely soft and one fouls etc.... I dont think the fact that barnes has received more playing time than Az means anything .... BArnes has more size.... and we are not deep in that area..... when our guards were down az was getting minutes and putting in quality time in. I am just curious ..... any predictions on how many tats ellis will get in the offseason? at least visibly i have not noticed any the lakers collapse.... i would love to see that team sir charles isnt worried about be the team to fall out of contention.....ty chandler ( a lottery pic no less) most improved... ugh yeah right. I dont see any upside to barnes.... and i dont see a guy that accepts the role he has been given.... i see a guy saying the right things... and doing the opposite .... another aspect is he never makes the extra pass and prefers jacking his shot up... i dont want him on my team.... like i said .... barnes is a dime a dozen and i am sure we will have a few players just like him in camp next season. Pietrus despite the upside i give up on as for every great spectacular play he makes he offsets it with a foolish play. foyle ..... yeah of course i would love to get rid of him ....but assuming we do make the playoffs despite barkley's predictions tonight.... foyle 's big body and 6 fouls may come in handy in PO's where things slow down.... and we have yet to prove we can consistently control game tempo
<div class="quote_poster">boogielew Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I am just curious ..... any predictions on how many tats ellis will get in the offseason? at least visibly i have not noticed any</div> I'll predict he comes back covered like Iverson
Hey, good thing about the offseason is that we won't have to ask and answer (or argue) the question, is this Dunleavy's year? That is a relief. Right now both Pietrus and Barnes seem very willing to come back. The Warriors need to play smart with their cap situation right now. This has been Chris Mullin's weakness. How he deals with this situation will lead up to how this current roster will mature when players like Biedrins and Ellis become free agents next season I think, and after that Baron and what have you. Right now all three of Barnes, Pietrus, and Azubuike have had great impacts on the team this season. Barnes is weak on man-defense but good at the zone, he's a hustle player, and has shown some impressive offensive production (at least in general, especially for a streaky scorer). Pietrus is a great man-on-man defender, he's shown some impressive abilities to play the 4 spot by blocking shots and rebounding, his 3 point shooting was very impressive to begin the season, and he has ability to make some things happen at times offensively. Azubuike is equipped with a more ideal role player mind-set if you asked me. He is smart, intelligent, laid back but not passive so he knows that he can do other things besides score or shoot a lot to fit in, he knows he can just let the other players get their touches, but he is smart and aware enough to step up his offensive game which is actually very strong and produce when needed and available. He has a good rounded game of solid defense, some solid handles, good size and physical strength and athleticism, and great fundamentals from playing at University of Kentucky. First, I would definitley hope the team retains Azubuike. Next I think it just comes down to which player or players Nelson wants out of Pietrus and Barnes, who the Warriors draft, and what kinds of deals these players are willing to accept, which will determine just how this whole thing ends up. Also maybe some trade-talk and actions will have some input as well. Is JRich gonna leave so Mullin can sign Ellis to the usual let's sign this player the season before his contract expires? (a la Murphy, JRich, and I think Dunleavy).
