Ricky Sapp is a man possessed. He's a true Freshman and I literally watched him spin off the Kentucky Left Tackle, then push through the block by the left guard, then push over the RB trying to block him to make a sack.Ricky Sapp compared to Gaines Adams is like Julius Peppers compared to Terrell Suggs. Suggs is still good of course, but he's just not in Peppers' class.Oh, and Andre Woodson looks great so far, btw. He is 7 for 9 and both his incompletions were balls thrown away due to pressure.
Oh, and Clemson has missed two field goals and an extra point.What is it with the Bowden family and not being able to have a decent kicking game?
11 for 13, just through a perfect pass for a TD over the top of Clemson defenders. Both incompletes were passes intentionally thrown away.Andre Woodson = 2008 top 5 pick at this rate.
Halftime.Andre Woodson:13 for 17190 Yards1 TD0 INT4 Sacks2 Passes Thrown Away (Hurries)On the last offensive play before half, Ricky Sapp was about to sack Andre Woodson from behind, the Right Tackle held him (terrible no call, he essentially tackled him from behind) but the pressure was enough to force Andre to dump the ball off short and Kentucky had to settle for a field goal attempt, which they missed.Ricky Sapp and Andre Woodson are the stars in this game's first half.
Woodson's playing well, but it IS Clemson he's beating. Not exactly the best test of a QB's abilities.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 29 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Woodson's playing well, but it IS Clemson he's beating. Not exactly the best test of a QB's abilities.</div>When it comes to quality teams performed well against, Woodson > QuinnQuick, tell me Quinn's signature win over a tough team this season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 29 2006, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 29 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Woodson's playing well, but it IS Clemson he's beating. Not exactly the best test of a QB's abilities.</div>When it comes to quality teams performed well against, Woodson > QuinnQuick, tell me Quinn's signature win over a tough team this season.</div>I've never been really high on Quinn either..... :whistling:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 29 2006, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 29 2006, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 29 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Woodson's playing well, but it IS Clemson he's beating. Not exactly the best test of a QB's abilities.</div>When it comes to quality teams performed well against, Woodson > QuinnQuick, tell me Quinn's signature win over a tough team this season.</div>I've never been really high on Quinn either..... :whistling:</div>This draft Class:1. JaMarcus Russell2. Andre Woodson3. Brady Quinn4. Brian Brohm :yuk:
Kentucky has now only lost once when Woodson has thrown 3+ TD passes. And in all of their losses this year, he threw 1 or less TD passes. He's pretty much their whole offense, though they're running game looked pretty good this game (at least towards the end).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 29 2006, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kentucky has now only lost once when Woodson has thrown 3+ TD passes. And in all of their losses this year, he threw 1 or less TD passes. He's pretty much their whole offense, though they're running game looked pretty good this game (at least towards the end).</div>Their O-line sucks too, he's doing it with little to no protection.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 29 2006, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 29 2006, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kentucky has now only lost once when Woodson has thrown 3+ TD passes. And in all of their losses this year, he threw 1 or less TD passes. He's pretty much their whole offense, though they're running game looked pretty good this game (at least towards the end).</div>Their O-line sucks too, he's doing it with little to no protection.</div>What scares me about him is the fact that he doesn't play that well against bigger schools.@ Louisville (L 59-28): 9-24 (38%), 231 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT@ Florida (L 26-7): 26-37 (70%), 210 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTvs South Carolina (L 24-17): 18-31 (58%), 289 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT@ LSU (L 49-0): 14-37 (38%), 151 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT@ Tennessee (L 17-12): 26-39 (67%), 282 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTTotals: 0-5 record. 93-168 (55%), 1,163 yards, 6 TD, 2 INTThat's a 122.9 QB rating. Which isn't that good for college.And the two better games (pending if you think these are bigger schools)vs Georgia (W 24-20): 23-32 (72%), 204 yards, 2 TD, 2 INTClemson (W 28-20): 20-30 (67%), 300 yards, 3 TD, 0 INTTotals: 2-0 record. 43-62 (69%), 504 yards, 5 TD, 2 INT157.8 QB rating.4 of those 5 losses were on the road, but if you can't win on the road, you shouldn't even enter the NFL Draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 29 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 29 2006, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 29 2006, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kentucky has now only lost once when Woodson has thrown 3+ TD passes. And in all of their losses this year, he threw 1 or less TD passes. He's pretty much their whole offense, though they're running game looked pretty good this game (at least towards the end).</div>Their O-line sucks too, he's doing it with little to no protection.</div>What scares me about him is the fact that he doesn't play that well against bigger schools.@ Louisville (L 59-28): 9-24 (38%), 231 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT@ Florida (L 26-7): 26-37 (70%), 210 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTvs South Carolina (L 24-17): 18-31 (58%), 289 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT@ LSU (L 49-0): 14-37 (38%), 151 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT@ Tennessee (L 17-12): 26-39 (67%), 282 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTTotals: 0-5 record. 93-168 (55%), 1,163 yards, 6 TD, 2 INTThat's a 122.9 QB rating. Which isn't that good for college.And the two better games (pending if you think these are bigger schools)vs Georgia (W 24-20): 23-32 (72%), 204 yards, 2 TD, 2 INTClemson (W 28-20): 20-30 (67%), 300 yards, 3 TD, 0 INTTotals: 2-0 record. 43-62 (69%), 504 yards, 5 TD, 2 INT157.8 QB rating.4 of those 5 losses were on the road, but if you can't win on the road, you shouldn't even enter the NFL Draft.</div>1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses.2nd. He had a 90.25 QB Rating (NFL QB Rating) against the cream of the crop. I'll take that.3rd.It's the dirty little secret that most of a player's great stats (in any sport) are against the worst opponants. IE in baseball David Ortiz hit 45 of his 54 home runs vs the 4th and 5th starters or middle relievers. Not the top of the rotation.
[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79316' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:49 AM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='79299' date='Dec 29 2006, 03:53 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79294' date='Dec 29 2006, 05:03 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='79291' date='Dec 29 2006, 02:59 PM']Kentucky has now only lost once when Woodson has thrown 3+ TD passes. And in all of their losses this year, he threw 1 or less TD passes. He's pretty much their whole offense, though they're running game looked pretty good this game (at least towards the end).[/quote]Their O-line sucks too, he's doing it with little to no protection.[/quote]What scares me about him is the fact that he doesn't play that well against bigger schools.@ Louisville (L 59-28): 9-24 (38%), 231 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT@ Florida (L 26-7): 26-37 (70%), 210 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTvs South Carolina (L 24-17): 18-31 (58%), 289 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT@ LSU (L 49-0): 14-37 (38%), 151 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT@ Tennessee (L 17-12): 26-39 (67%), 282 yards, 1 TD, 0 INTTotals: 0-5 record. 93-168 (55%), 1,163 yards, 6 TD, 2 INTThat's a 122.9 QB rating. Which isn't that good for college.And the two better games (pending if you think these are bigger schools)vs Georgia (W 24-20): 23-32 (72%), 204 yards, 2 TD, 2 INTClemson (W 28-20): 20-30 (67%), 300 yards, 3 TD, 0 INTTotals: 2-0 record. 43-62 (69%), 504 yards, 5 TD, 2 INT157.8 QB rating.4 of those 5 losses were on the road, but if you can't win on the road, you shouldn't even enter the NFL Draft.[/quote]1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses.2nd. He had a 90.25 QB Rating (NFL QB Rating) against the cream of the crop. I'll take that.3rd.It's the dirty little secret that most of a player's great stats (in any sport) are against the worst opponants. IE in baseball David Ortiz hit 45 of his 54 home runs vs the 4th and 5th starters or middle relievers. Not the top of the rotation.[/quote]Can I stand back up yet, Master?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 29 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses. :whistling:</div>So why exactly was it that you hated Cutler so much?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 30 2006, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 29 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses. :whistling:</div>So why exactly was it that you hated Cutler so much? </div>Did HE ever win a bowl game?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 30 2006, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 30 2006, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 29 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses. :whistling:</div>So why exactly was it that you hated Cutler so much? </div>Did HE ever win a bowl game?</div>No, because he had 'little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best' (To use your EXACT words to Defend Woodson), he was never given that chance.
[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79363' date='Dec 30 2006, 04:56 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79355' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:14 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79336' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:30 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79316' date='Dec 29 2006, 10:49 PM']1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses. :whistling:[/quote]So why exactly was it that you hated Cutler so much? [/quote]Did HE ever win a bowl game?[/quote]No, because he had 'little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best' (To use your EXACT words to Defend Woodson), he was never given that chance.[/quote]So he was in the same situation as Woodson. Not much talent on either side of the ball. But yet Woodson did win a bowl.
[quote name='Brooksie5' post='79374' date='Dec 30 2006, 04:50 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79363' date='Dec 30 2006, 04:56 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79355' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:14 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79336' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:30 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79316' date='Dec 29 2006, 10:49 PM']1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses. :whistling:[/quote]So why exactly was it that you hated Cutler so much? [/quote]Did HE ever win a bowl game?[/quote]No, because he had 'little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best' (To use your EXACT words to Defend Woodson), he was never given that chance.[/quote]So he was in the same situation as Woodson. Not much talent on either side of the ball. But yet Woodson did win a bowl.[/quote]Kentucky >>> Vanderbilt, yet his boy Woodson only won two more games in the regular season this season then Cutler did last year, and Cutler actually beat a Ranked Team.I just find it a bit hypocritical that a Weak Supporting cast is an acceptable excuse in the case of his boy Woodson, but it wasn't acceptable in the case of Jay Cutler :whistling:
[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79380' date='Dec 30 2006, 08:14 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='79374' date='Dec 30 2006, 04:50 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79363' date='Dec 30 2006, 04:56 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79355' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:14 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79336' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:30 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79316' date='Dec 29 2006, 10:49 PM']1st.You are talking about putting Peyton Manning on the Detroit Lions (of the SEC) and him passing above average with little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best, and then blaming him for the losses. :whistling:[/quote]So why exactly was it that you hated Cutler so much? [/quote]Did HE ever win a bowl game?[/quote]No, because he had 'little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best' (To use your EXACT words to Defend Woodson), he was never given that chance.[/quote]So he was in the same situation as Woodson. Not much talent on either side of the ball. But yet Woodson did win a bowl.[/quote]Kentucky >>> Vanderbilt, yet his boy Woodson only won two more games in the regular season this season then Cutler did last year, and Cutler actually beat a Ranked Team.I just find it a bit hypocritical that a Weak Supporting cast is an acceptable excuse in the case of his boy Woodson, but it wasn't acceptable in the case of Jay Cutler :whistling:[/quote]Well Culter isn't straight. That may have something to do with it.
[quote name='Brooksie5' post='79374' date='Dec 30 2006, 05:50 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79363' date='Dec 30 2006, 04:56 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='79355' date='Dec 30 2006, 01:14 PM']Did HE ever win a bowl game?[/quote]No, because he had 'little talent around him, plus a mediocre defense at best' (To use your EXACT words to Defend Woodson), he was never given that chance.[/quote]So he was in the same situation as Woodson. Not much talent on either side of the ball. But yet Woodson did win a bowl.[/quote] :yeahthat: [quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='79380' date='Dec 30 2006, 06:14 PM']Kentucky >>> Vanderbilt, yet his boy Woodson only won two more games in the regular season this season then Cutler did last year, and Cutler actually beat a Ranked Team.[/quote]What that really should say: Kentucky under Woodson >>> Vanderbilt under Cutler. With equally pathetic programs, Woodson was able to win 20% more games and a bowl game on top of it all, against even tougher competition.
