Here is what I predict each player will achieve this season stats wise, (based on the 15 players I think that will play 90% of the season and keep in mind that every player will not play all 82 games). C-Cato-6 pts, 6 rebs, 2 blks PF-Howard-10 pts, 8 rebs, 1 blk SF-Hill-12 pts, 6 rebs, 5 asts SG-Mobley-13 pts, 4 rebs, 2 stls PG-Francis-17 pts, 5 rebs, 6 asts C-Battie-5 pts, 5 rebs, 1 blk PF-Garrity-5 pts, 4 rebs, 1 asts SF-Turkoglu-11 pts, 4 rebs, 2 asts SG-Stevenson-10 pts, 3 rebs, 1 asts PG-Nelson-6 pts, 2 rebs, 2 asts SF-Augmon-4 pts, 2 rebs, 1 asts SG-Bogans-4 pts, 1 rebs, 1 asts Team-103 pts, 50 rebs, 20 asts More than likely this season, there will be a number of injuries to key players that will allow others to have extended periods of more PT which will increase their stats. Players like Turkoglu, Stevenson and Augmon will get more PT if Hill goes down. I also can't see Cato or Battie playing a full season, so look for Garrity and Howard to get more minutes. I think Nelson will get limited PT, but will make the most of his minutes. This team has the opportuinty to average 100 points a game, because of its explosive backcourt and great depth. And also a great defensive unit with the new additions of Cato, Howard, Battie, Augmon and Francis. 5 of the 6 new faces in this Magic Team are from the Western Confrence which breeds high Octane offense and run and gun play. I think the Magic could have the biggest franchise turnaround in NBA history and really bring excitement back to the Eastern Confrence.
C-Cato-8 PPG, 7 RPG , 1.3 APG, 2.1 blk PF-Howard-9 PPG, 6 RPG , 1.3 APG , 1.3 blk SF- Hill- 10 PPG if healthy SG-Mobley-18 PPG, 4 APG 5 RPG PG-Francis-24 PPG, 8 APG, 6 RPG C-Battie- 4 PPG RPG, . 95 blk PF-Garrity- 4.5 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 3,4 APG (modist numbers I don't see him being a big key) SF-Turkoglu-10 PPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG SG-Stevenson- 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 4.7 APG PG-Nelson-12 PPG, 6 APG, 3.4 RPG SF-Augmon-3 PPG, 1.6 APG, 2.5 RPG SG-Bogans- 4 PPG I dont know if that is exactly what these players will average, but considering there talent and minutes they should get in the lineup thats what they have the potential to average maybe more. I don't think that these players will have these exact stats because if they do the team will average way to many PPG as a team probably be near the top in the league and I dont know how much of a chance that has of happening. I think that Mobely will defintely average more than thirteen points considering this will basically be the same team he was in with Francis in Houston they are the two lead options on offense until Howard developes or Hill proves he still has it. I think Jameer will put up ROY of the year type numbers just because he is ready to produce at times when the Magic deside they want to go small in the lineup with him and francis in the back court and possibly Mobely at the swing man spot for a short time, not that long a peroid only because Mobely is 6 "4 so he can not last in the swing man spot long. I don't think that Howard will live up to the hype this year a lot of people on this board I see say that Howard is a project then have him averaging double digit scoring for his first season. When even players like Kobe, KG, Mcgrady, nor Ray Allen broke into double digits there first season. A t best I see him getting nine points, but to be honest I think he will average around six or seven and maybe break into double digits next year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">PG-Francis-24 PPG, 8 APG, 6 RPG </div>You honestly think so? Francis will not score 24 points per game, will not average 8 assists, and will not get 6 rebounds per game. First off, Francis has never averaged more than 21 points in a full season, and that was under Rudy Tomjanovich, whose style is more fitting to Francis than anyone. What makes you think that Francis will get 24? Also, the highest assist average Francis has ever gotten is a mere 6.6, in his rookie season. To be frank, his passing game is not refined enough yet to even average 7. Also, Francis is a supreme rebounder for a guard, and even led the Rockets in rebounding in his sophomore season. In your predictions, the highest rebounding average is a 7. In that case, Francis is bound to get more than 6 rpg. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">PG-Nelson-12 PPG, 6 APG, 3.4 RPG</div>Absurd. How do you know Nelson is ready? How are you so sure Davis will play him for 28 minutes each game? Even if he does, I doubt that Nelson will be good enough for those numbers. If he is, why shouldn't Davis bench Mobley and play Nelson at point and Francis at 2 full-time? It would benefit the Magic more. Also, how would a 5-11 Nelson get 3 rebounds a game? In your predictions, the team will really lead the league in assists. According to you, the Magic will average 33 assists per game, and that is only from the players that you listed. A healthy Hill will average 5 more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">You honestly think so? Francis will not score 24 points per game, will not average 8 assists, and will not get 6 rebounds per game. First off, Francis has never averaged more than 21 points in a full season, and that was under Rudy Tomjanovich, whose style is more fitting to Francis than anyone. What makes you think that Francis will get 24? Also, the highest assist average Francis has ever gotten is a mere 6.6, in his rookie season. To be frank, his passing game is not refined enough yet to even average 7. Also, Francis is a supreme rebounder for a guard, and even led the Rockets in rebounding in his sophomore season. In your predictions, the highest rebounding average is a 7. In that case, Francis is bound to get more than 6 rpg.</div> Yet in Yao's rookie season Francis started out averaging 27 points per game till he took the team to the side and said I dont want to ahve to be scoring this much a night. Francis ahs never averaged mroe than 6.6 assists well there is a first time for everything isnt there?The reason I think that Francis will not get more than six is simple because of all the guys that Orlando will be having inside fighting for rebounds. Howard, Battie, Cato, Hill, Garriety, Declerq and all thsoe guys given that Francis has played with Yao, but besides Yao and Cato in Houston he really had no one to contend with for rebounds maybe Taylor, but even then he is not the msot consistant guy on the boards. Edit: Also on the rebounding thing last year he averaged 5.5 rebound sso how will he improve on that this year when he will be playing with even more bodies that will be trying to get rebounds? Given that he wont have to contend with Yao who is seven six every ngithf or rebounds, but he will still have to face big guys to try and get rebounds guys like Declerq, Howard, Battie, and Cato like I mentioned before. I hope you are right though and he does average more. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Absurd. How do you know Nelson is ready? How are you so sure Davis will play him for 28 minutes each game? Even if he does, I doubt that Nelson will be good enough for those numbers. If he is, why shouldn't Davis bench Mobley and play Nelson at point and Francis at 2 full-time? It would benefit the Magic more. Also, how would a 5-11 Nelson get 3 rebounds a game? In your predictions, the team will really lead the league in assists. According to you, the Magic will average 33 assists per game, and that is only from the players that you listed. A healthy Hill will average 5 more. </div> Before I even say anything here re read my post. I even said that I was prbably off on a lot of this do to the fact that the team will be really high in PPG in the league if everyone averages this points you can choose to include assists in that if you would like. Secondly, you are correct I do not know how ready Jameer is, but with his accomplishments four years at St. joes, College player of the year, All American, if he is not ready for the NBA I dont know what is.
C-Cato-7 PPG, 6RPG , 1.3 APG, 1.1 blk PF-Howard-11PPG, 7 RPG , 1.3 APG , 1.3 blk SF- Hill- 14.2 PPG,5apg,3.1rpg if healthy SG-Mobley-17 PPG, 3.1 APG 5 RPG PG-Francis-22 PPG, 6.2 APG, 5.6 RPG C-Battie- 4 PPG RPG, . 95 blk PF-Garrity- 4.5 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 3,4 APG (modist numbers I don't see him getting many minutes) SF-Turkoglu-10 PPG, 4 RPG, 3 APG SG-Stevenson- 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 4.7 APG PG-Nelson-9.3 PPG, 6 APG, 3.4 RPG SF-Augmon-3 PPG, 1.6 APG, 2.5 RPG SG-Bogans- 12 PPG,2.3APG,3.2RpG I'd like to see the Magic young players to get the most minutes,players like Keith Bogans can be nice additons to this team if given the right amount of minutes. If Grant Hill came back healthy he would be very valuable,even though he hasnt played in a while,he will still have some energy and legs left in him since he has been inactive so much,but if Grants attempted comeback fails I dont see him ever making it back. Steve Francis should have a better year then his last,while leading this team to the playoffs.
Pure Skillz, I'm not even gonna get started on Francis because that's something neither of us can justify before the season starts, but the fact that you still think the Magic will average that many assists is really bothering me. Last season, the Sacramento Kings averaged 26 assists per game to lead the league, while scoring a second-highest 102 points per game. Honestly, I don't think that the Magic will average that many points, let alone get more than 24 assists each game. Besides Hill, none of the Magic players are natural pass-minded players, so getting 33 each game is a very bad misconception. Francis and Mobley are penetrators, and assists don't come from that style of play. On Nelson, I'm not saying that he isn't ready, but your image of him coming off the bench and averaging 12/6 is very wrong. For example, Kirk Hinrich and TJ Ford were two PG's that played big roles for their team last season. Both received starter's minutes. Hinrich, being a great three-point shooter and a key part of his franchise, was able to average 12 points in 35 minutes. Ford, on the other hand, averaged 7 points in 27 minutes. If I'm not wrong, you're probably projecting that Nelson will play 20 minutes, and if compared to these two players, it really seems impossible that he will average such fabulous stats in such little playing time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Pure Skillz, I'm not even gonna get started on Francis because that's something neither of us can justify before the season starts, but the fact that you still think the Magic will average that many assists is really bothering me.</div> Your absoultely right on the francis thing , and when I gave my statistics I was basing it on what I thought these players could average on potential as I said not in minutes. On the other case. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">On Nelson, I'm not saying that he isn't ready, but your image of him coming off the bench and averaging 12/6 is very wrong. For example, Kirk Hinrich and TJ Ford were two PG's that played big roles for their team last season. Both received starter's minutes. Hinrich, being a great three-point shooter and a key part of his franchise, was able to average 12 points in 35 minutes. Ford, on the other hand, averaged 7 points in 27 minutes. If I'm not wrong, you're probably projecting that Nelson will play 20 minutes, and if compared to these two players, it really seems impossible that he will average such fabulous stats in such little playing time.</div> I am actually thinking he will average 25 mintues, but anyway I will admit that I think he will produce at least 10 points despite that jsut because of the talent he has alone. I will admit that when I make these stats for Jameer it is more or less fan bias do to me being a fan of him since he began his career at saint joes and I think he can still a player that will play a key factor for the magic next year and if a few injuries happen like maybe Mobely is out for a little while and they deside to move francis to the 2 and start Nelson he will be ready to perform, and put up numbers, but I completely understand where you re coming from and agree that if the mintues are not there he will not get that many points or assists, but going back to what I said earlier my prediction is based on the potential he has if he gets minutes and a little fan bias.
Considering the Magic's depth at guard, it's hard to project Nelson as a 25 minutes per game guy. Both Francis and Mobley are likely to average 40+ minutes, and there's also Deshawn Stevenson, Bogans, Augmon and Turkoglu who could all factor into the number of minutes Nelson will play. IMO, Nelson will be very lucky if he gets to play 15 minutes each game. And also, next time you post any hypothetical stats with fan bias factoring into it, please add that to your post so that people will not misunderstand and go through all this with you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Considering the Magic's depth at guard, it's hard to project Nelson as a 25 minutes per game guy. Both Francis and Mobley are likely to average 40+ minutes, and there's also Deshawn Stevenson, Bogans, Augmon and Turkoglu who could all factor into the number of minutes Nelson will play. IMO, Nelson will be very lucky if he gets to play 15 minutes each game.</div> Stevenson and Bogans I think will see more minutes at the swing man spot rather than the guard this season because of what you said the depth at the guard spot. I still expect to see Bogans at guard somtimes, but Stevenson not so much.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Pure Skillz:</div><div class="quote_post">Stevenson and Bogans I think will see more minutes at the swing man spot rather than the guard this season because of what you said the depth at the guard spot. I still expect to see Bogans at guard somtimes, but Stevenson not so much.</div> Swingman is not a position. A swingman "swings" from SG to SF, so if you say that Bogans and Stevenson will be swingmen will imply that they will spend some time at both spots next season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Swingman is not a position. A swingman "swings" from SG to SF, so if you say that Bogans and Stevenson will be swingmen will imply that they will spend some time at both spots next season.</div> Alright I will call it the small forward spot then. nyway that is where I see most of stevenson's minutes coming next season. Since the team will want to see how Hill plays before playing him any long stretch of time probably don't see them using him extended minutes until he playoffs just to protect him from injuring himself maybe if he goes to management or something about it they will increase his minutes, but until then I see a lot of time to fit in Bogans and Stevenson there.
I think Jammer should easily get more then 15 mins a game,with the Magic guards being so versatile players like Stevenson,Bogans,Augmon,Hedo,and Mpb;ey are all capable of playing the first three postions IMO. Orlando could even give Jammer extra time with the starters, roatating Francis to the two and Moblyey to the three,this could free up a spot for the Magic when they want their scoring backcourt in the game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Silky Smooth:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Jammer should easily get more then 15 mins a game,with the Magic guards being so versatile players like Stevenson,Bogans,Augmon,Hedo,and Mpb;ey are all capable of playing the first three postions IMO. Orlando could even give Jammer extra time with the starters, roatating Francis to the two and Moblyey to the three,this could free up a spot for the Magic when they want their scoring backcourt in the game.</div> Firstly, it's Jameer, not Jammer. Secondly, Augmon, Stevenson and Bogans cannot play the point. They are more of 2's and 3's than a point guard. Mobley also cannot play small forward, and he never has anyways. I don't know who started this, but a Mobley/Francis/Nelson lineup will be suicide defensively.
Sorry typo,on Jammer,and Mobley lol. But Deshawn can play a little PG he did for the Magic and the I remember Johhny davis saying that in a press confrence,yeah he isnt a true PG but the Magic have played him there before. Another thing is Francis and Mobley are solid defenders, along with Jameer although he can be undersized.Now they may not be able to handle some players defensivley but you callin them suicidal defensivley is a little overboard IMO.
It's way to hard to specifically estimate every single players stats for next season. I will say, the scoring should be rather balanced compared to last season because theres several guys capable of putting the ball in the basket.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Another thing is Francis and Mobley are solid defenders, along with Jameer although he can be undersized.Now they may not be able to handle some players defensivley but you callin them suicidal defensivley is a little overboard IMO.</div>Francis is solid defensively, I'll give you that, but Mobley is not a really good defender, serviceable at best. When I'm saying that this lineup was suicidal defensively, I was referring more to size than skill. 6-4, 6-3 and 5-11 will not defend a lineup that could potentially be 6-9, 6-7 and 6-4. That's why even though Artest is a good defender, you don't see him guarding Shaq.
Your refering to size,what I am trying to say is you can be an undersized player but can still be a solid defender,of course the bigger guys may have an advantage,but that just means smaller defenders have to work harder on defense. Another thing is Jameer may not be a tall player,but he has enough bulk,to guard defenders that may be slightly taller and bigger then him,and players like Mobley and Francis have athleticsm to help them when defending bigger players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Another thing is Jameer may not be a tall player,but he has enough bulk,to guard defenders that may be slightly taller and bigger then him,and players like Mobley and Francis have athleticsm to help them when defending bigger players.</div>Athleticsm does jack when a taller player posts up and shoots over you.
It does do jack, with atleticsm you can be quicker,or if someone is going to shoot over you,you could jump high and get in his face.
Jeez. Has it not occurred to you that almost every single NBA player is just as athletic as anyone else? Almost every NBA guard and small forward has to be athletic, so how would a 6-9 small forward not have an advantage over the 6-4 Mobley? Darius Miles can probably even outjump Yao Ming, but do you see him guarding Yao?
