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    NBA.com's poll "your opinion"

    LOL, I just noticed this; todays question on NBA.com's poll was "How high does Kobe Bryant rank among the greatest scorers in NBA history?"

    The alternatives are;

    1. Just not quite up there yet 84%
    2. Definitely Top 3 7%
    3. He makes the Top 10 5%
    4. The Absolute Best 4%

    Total Responses: 241718

    Most of us ARE biased but even the so called experts rank him among the top 5 easily. Kobe usually gets voted the "star of the night" by the fans when he has a terrific nightin but in this poll the odd thing for me is that 84% vote him "Just not quite up there yet", which is the lowest amount of credit you can give the man. Im curious why that is and is he really not up there yet? I believe he is at least top 3 and might become the greatest as his career continues.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">arre Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LOL, I just noticed this; todays question on NBA.com's poll was "How high does Kobe Bryant rank among the greatest scorers in NBA history?"

    The alternatives are;

    1. Just not quite up there yet 84%
    2. Definitely Top 3 7%
    3. He makes the Top 10 5%
    4. The Absolute Best 4%

    Total Responses: 241718

    Most of us ARE biased but even the so called experts rank him among the top 5 easily. Kobe usually gets voted the "star of the night" by the fans when he has a terrific nightin but in this poll the odd thing for me is that 84% vote him "Just not quite up there yet", which is the lowest amount of credit you can give the man. Im curious why that is and is he really not up there yet? I believe he is at least top 3 and might become the greatest as his career continues.</div>

    There definitely isn't ten scorers that I would rank higher than Kobe.

    Most people are casual fans that don't understand the inflation of points that occurred in the past. At the same time, they might be basing their opinion off of Career PPG, which in that case would also be a flawed manner to judge this debate.
     
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    The Kobe haters and the people who can't seem to let MJ go.
     
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    Keep in mind these are the same fans who vote for the All-Star game starters. These polls are a waste of time.
     
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    Scorers in NBA history? Counting ability to score whenever one wants to, I would rank Kobe either #1 or #2, just because of Wilt. NBA fans must be moronic, they should note that it says scorers - not passers, rebounders or whatever, just scorers.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There definitely isn't ten scorers that I would rank higher than Kobe.

    Most people are casual fans that don't understand the inflation of points that occurred in the past. At the same time, they might be basing their opinion off of Career PPG, which in that case would also be a flawed manner to judge this debate.</div>

    There arent even 5 IMO... maybe MJ and Wilt (he was not a scorer but simply dominant) is ahead of him but i just cant think of anyone else...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">kobe23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There arent even 5 IMO... maybe MJ and Wilt (he was not a scorer but simply dominant) is ahead of him but i just cant think of anyone else...</div>

    I think you'd have to throw in Kareem and Bird too.
     
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    Elgin Baylor was a premiere scorer in his days.
     
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    To add to the discussion:

    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/>NameFrom-To MPG TS% PTS<br/>1 Michael Jordan1985-200338.356.89%31.5<br/>2 George Gervin 1977-198633.557.22%31.2<br/>3 Shaquille O'Neal1994-200636.958.26%28.8<br/>4 John Drew 1976-198529.654.60%28.4<br/>5 Kobe Bryant 2000-200639.855.25%28.0<br/>6 Dominique Wilkins 1983-199935.553.57%28.0<br/>7 Tracy McGrady 2001-200639.453.11%27.7<br/>8 Adrian Dantley1978-199135.761.73%27.6<br/>9 David Thompson1977-198432.056.52%27.6<br/>10Jerry West1961-197439.255.15%27.6<br/>11Elgin Baylor1959-197240.049.41%27.3<br/>12Bob Pettit1955-196538.851.01%27.2<br/>13Walter Davis1978-199227.955.89%27.1<br/>14Alex English1977-199131.954.95%26.9<br/>15Allen Iverson 1997-200641.751.39%26.9<br/>16Karl Malone 1986-200437.257.67%26.9<br/>17Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1970-198936.859.18%26.7<br/>18World B. Free 1976-198830.452.58%26.7<br/>19Bernard King1978-199333.756.20%26.7<br/>20Mark Aguirre1982-199430.054.23%26.6<br/></div>

    Top 20 players in history for points scored per 40 minutes, and also included TS%. I excluded seasons where the player was under 21, and only considered players who played at least 10,000 minutes after those season. Keep in mind that pace has slowed considerably, so give extra credit for what players in this era (like Kobe, Tracy, and AI) have done.
     
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    That many people don’t rank kobe as a top 10 scorer in NBA history … that’s just amazing. They are either haters, or they glorify the past like so many people do.

    Kobe is the 2nd person to break 80 points in a game, the 4th to drop 3 straight 50 pt games, I believe the 3rd to average over 40 a game for a month, and one of a select group to average 30+ multiple seasons. ..

    I think outside of Wilt, MJ, and Baylor, nobody can score in volume the way Kobe does.
     
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    Durvasa, where is Wilt Chamberlain?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Durvasa, where is Wilt Chamberlain?</div>

    He's number 22. Remember he played a ton of minutes per game, and after his first 6 seasons or so his scoring dropped drastically. Further, the game was played an extremely high pace back in those days (which these stats aren't taking into account), so he would be dropped even further if you made a pace-adjustment. I got these results from here, by the way.

    <div class='codetop'>CODE</div><div class='codemain'><br/> Count Name Ht From-To PosGMPFG FGA 3P3PA FT FTAORB DRB TRB ASTSTLBLKTOV PF PTS<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/> 1 Michael Jordan 6.06 1985-2003G1072 4101311.923.90.61.77.1 8.61.6 4.9 6.5 5.52.50.92.92.731.5<br/> 2 George Gervin6.07 1977-1986G 791 2653612.123.70.20.66.8 8.11.8 3.6 5.4 3.31.41.03.63.531.2<br/> 3 Shaquille O'Neal 7.01 1994-2006C 860 3172011.419.70.00.06.011.44.1 8.412.6 3.10.72.63.03.728.8<br/> 4 John Drew6.06 1976-1985F 661 1953910.121.30.00.28.010.73.7 5.0 8.7 2.21.80.33.94.828.4<br/> 5 Kobe Bryant6.06 2000-2006G 507 20181 9.821.61.33.87.1 8.51.4 4.6 5.9 5.31.70.63.22.928.0<br/> 6 Dominique Wilkins6.07 1983-1999F1074 3811310.522.70.72.36.3 7.83.1 4.4 7.5 2.81.40.72.82.228.0<br/> 7 Tracy McGrady6.08 2001-2006F 420 16556 9.922.61.75.06.0 7.91.6 5.3 6.9 5.31.60.92.62.027.7<br/> 8 Adrian Dantley 6.05 1978-1991F 878 31335 9.718.00.00.18.1 9.92.5 3.7 6.2 3.41.10.23.23.027.6<br/> 9 David Thompson 6.04 1977-1984G 509 1630510.320.50.10.46.9 8.91.8 2.9 4.7 4.01.11.03.43.227.6<br/>10 Jerry West 6.02 1961-1974G 932 36571 9.920.87.8 9.61.2 3.6 5.9 6.83.41.0 2.727.6<br/>11 Elgin Baylor 6.05 1959-1972F 846 3386310.323.86.8 8.7 13.5 4.3 3.127.3<br/>12 Bob Pettit 6.09 1955-1965F 792 30690 9.622.08.110.6 16.7 3.1 3.327.2<br/>13 Walter Davis 6.06 1978-1992G1033 2885911.322.00.31.04.3 5.11.2 3.0 4.2 5.41.80.23.53.427.1<br/>14 Alex English 6.07 1977-1991F1193 3806311.222.10.00.14.5 5.42.9 4.0 6.9 4.61.10.93.03.226.9<br/>15 Allen Iverson6.00 1997-2006G 682 28439 9.422.31.23.96.8 8.80.9 2.9 3.8 5.92.20.23.62.026.9<br/>16 Karl Malone6.09 1986-2004F1476 54852 9.919.10.10.27.1 9.62.6 8.310.9 3.81.50.83.33.326.9<br/>17 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar7.02 1970-1989C1560 5744611.019.70.00.04.7 6.52.7 8.612.1 3.91.12.93.33.226.7<br/>18 World B. Free6.02 1976-1988G 886 26893 9.721.30.51.47.0 9.31.5 2.1 3.6 4.91.40.33.23.426.7<br/>19 Bernard King 6.07 1978-1993F 874 2941710.620.50.00.25.4 7.42.3 4.6 6.9 3.91.20.33.83.926.7<br/>20 Mark Aguirre 6.06 1982-1994F 923 2773010.421.40.61.85.3 7.12.5 4.1 6.6 4.11.00.43.33.726.6<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/> Count Name Ht From-To PosGMPFG FGA 3P3PA FT FTAORB DRB TRB ASTSTLBLKTOV PF PTS<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/>21 Bob McAdoo 6.09 1973-1986C 852 2832710.520.80.00.25.6 7.42.8 8.511.4 2.81.21.83.83.826.5<br/>22 Wilt Chamberlain 7.01 1960-1973C1045 4785910.619.65.1 9.9 20.0 3.9 1.726.3<br/>23 Dan Issel6.09 1977-1985C 718 22342 9.719.20.10.26.8 8.53.0 7.210.2 3.21.20.72.63.626.2<br/>24 Pete Maravich6.05 1971-1980G 658 2431610.223.10.40.65.9 7.11.1 3.6 4.5 5.91.50.34.43.126.2<br/>25 Kiki Vandeweghe6.08 1981-1993F 810 2452110.019.10.41.05.7 6.51.5 3.1 4.5 2.70.80.42.12.526.1<br/>26 Julius Erving6.06 1977-1987F 836 2867710.119.90.10.35.4 6.92.9 4.9 7.8 4.52.11.83.63.225.6<br/>27 Rick Barry 6.07 1966-1980F 794 2882510.122.41.64.95.3 5.91.0 4.8 7.2 5.62.30.53.13.125.5<br/>28 Vince Carter 6.07 1999-2006F 539 20242 9.421.11.64.15.1 6.51.9 3.8 5.7 4.31.41.02.53.225.5<br/>29 Sam Jones6.04 1958-1969G 872 2428510.322.64.7 5.97.1 3.6 2.925.4<br/>30 Larry Bird 6.09 1980-1992F 897 3444310.020.10.82.04.6 5.22.0 8.410.4 6.61.80.93.32.625.3<br/>31 Tom Heinsohn 6.07 1957-1965F 654 19254 9.924.55.5 7.0 11.9 2.7 5.125.3<br/>32 Clyde Lovellette 6.09 1954-1964C 704 1907510.022.65.0 6.6 14.0 2.4 4.825.1<br/>33 Cliff Hagan6.04 1957-1966F 745 21731 9.621.45.5 6.99.4 4.1 4.424.8<br/>34 Paul Pierce6.06 1999-2006F 605 22879 8.218.61.74.86.8 8.51.2 5.7 6.9 4.11.80.83.33.224.8<br/>35 Flynn Robinson 6.01 1967-1973G 494 11569 9.621.05.5 6.54.5 5.2 4.424.7<br/>36 Quintin Dailey 6.03 1983-1992G 528 12170 9.621.20.10.45.2 6.71.4 2.9 4.3 3.91.60.23.44.024.6<br/>37 Patrick Ewing7.00 1986-2002C1183 40594 9.619.00.00.15.3 7.22.7 8.711.4 2.21.12.93.54.024.5<br/>38 Mike Mitchell6.07 1979-1988F 759 2453710.421.00.00.23.7 4.72.5 4.4 6.9 1.60.90.72.13.324.5<br/>39 Ricky Pierce 6.04 1983-1998F 969 23665 9.118.50.51.65.7 6.51.5 2.4 3.9 3.11.30.22.53.724.5<br/>40 Paul Westphal6.04 1973-1984G 823 20947 9.719.30.31.15.0 6.00.8 2.2 3.0 6.92.00.53.73.324.5<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/> Count Name Ht From-To PosGMPFG FGA 3P3PA FT FTAORB DRB TRB ASTSTLBLKTOV PF PTS<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/>41 Dirk Nowitzki6.11 2000-2006F 556 21093 8.417.91.64.26.0 7.01.4 8.1 9.5 2.81.11.22.02.924.4<br/>42 Hakeem Olajuwon7.00 1985-2002C1238 44222 9.719.00.00.14.9 6.93.6 8.812.4 2.82.03.53.34.024.4<br/>43 Paul Arizin6.04 1951-1962F 713 24897 8.520.17.4 9.18.8 2.5 4.024.3<br/>44 Billy Cunningham 6.06 1966-1976F 654 22406 9.120.56.1 8.41.8 8.211.9 4.71.30.5 4.324.3<br/>45 Moses Malone 6.10 1977-1995C1329 45071 8.417.10.00.17.6 9.86.0 8.414.4 1.61.01.53.62.724.3<br/>46 Oscar Robertson6.05 1961-1974G1040 43886 8.717.97.0 8.41.1 3.4 7.1 9.01.20.1 2.724.3<br/>47 David Robinson 7.01 1990-2003C 987 34272 8.616.60.00.17.0 9.63.6 8.712.3 2.81.63.42.83.324.3<br/>48 Charles Barkley6.06 1985-2000F1073 39330 8.615.90.52.16.5 8.84.3 8.412.8 4.31.70.93.43.324.2<br/>49 Jack Twyman6.06 1956-1966F 823 26147 9.521.25.1 6.68.3 2.8 4.324.2<br/>50 Lou Hudson 6.05 1967-1979F 890 29794 9.920.34.2 5.31.6 2.6 5.3 3.31.80.32.53.324.1<br/>51 Gilbert Arenas 6.03 2003-2006G 297 11591 7.818.22.26.06.2 7.71.0 3.5 4.5 5.81.80.33.63.324.0<br/>52 Bob Lanier 6.11 1971-1984C 959 32103 9.718.80.00.14.6 6.13.1 8.112.1 3.71.31.83.43.824.0<br/>53 Mitch Richmond 6.05 1989-2002G 976 34309 8.518.71.54.05.3 6.31.0 3.4 4.4 4.01.40.33.02.923.9<br/>54 Purvis Short 6.07 1979-1990F 842 24549 9.720.40.20.84.3 5.22.3 3.6 5.9 3.51.40.32.84.023.8<br/>55 Clyde Drexler6.07 1984-1998G1086 37537 8.918.80.92.85.0 6.42.8 4.3 7.1 6.52.40.83.23.523.7<br/>56 Michael Redd 6.06 2001-2006G 392 12763 8.418.72.15.34.7 5.51.4 3.8 5.2 2.51.20.11.72.223.7<br/>57 Andrew Toney 6.03 1981-1988G 468 12608 9.118.10.41.35.1 6.40.7 2.5 3.2 6.21.20.34.44.323.7<br/>58 Cedric Ceballos6.06 1991-2001F 609 14712 9.318.60.62.14.4 5.93.4 5.5 8.9 2.01.20.52.72.923.6<br/>59 Tom Chambers 6.09 1982-1998F1107 33922 8.718.60.30.96.0 7.42.3 5.6 7.9 2.71.00.73.04.423.6<br/>60 Eddie Johnson6.07 1982-1999F1199 32604 9.520.10.72.13.9 4.72.2 3.7 5.9 3.10.90.22.53.623.6<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/> Count Name Ht From-To PosGMPFG FGA 3P3PA FT FTAORB DRB TRB ASTSTLBLKTOV PF PTS<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/>61 Earl Monroe6.03 1968-1980G 926 29636 9.320.10.00.04.9 6.10.7 2.8 3.8 4.91.40.32.83.323.6<br/>62 Bob Rule 6.09 1968-1975C 403 11862 9.420.34.9 7.13.1 4.411.2 2.00.90.7 4.223.6<br/>63 Marques Johnson6.07 1978-1990F 691 23694 9.718.70.00.24.1 5.53.1 5.0 8.1 4.21.50.92.73.023.5<br/>64 Calvin Murphy5.09 1971-1983G1002 30607 9.519.60.10.44.5 5.00.8 1.6 2.7 5.81.90.12.54.223.5<br/>65 Tim Duncan 7.00 1998-2006F 666 25242 8.917.60.00.25.4 7.93.4 9.312.7 3.30.82.63.12.923.3<br/>66 Otis Birdsong6.03 1978-1989G 696 21627 9.919.50.10.43.3 5.11.7 2.1 3.8 4.21.60.32.83.323.2<br/>67 Darrell Griffith 6.04 1981-1991G 765 21403 9.821.11.03.02.6 3.71.5 3.3 4.7 3.01.70.53.13.223.2<br/>68 Bailey Howell6.07 1960-1971F 951 30627 8.517.76.2 8.1 12.3 2.4 4.623.2<br/>69 Jeff Malone6.04 1984-1996G 905 29660 9.619.80.10.44.0 4.60.8 2.4 3.2 2.90.80.12.12.323.2<br/>70 Geoff Petrie 6.04 1971-1976G 446 16787 9.520.84.3 5.30.7 2.1 3.0 4.91.20.2 2.623.2<br/>71 Kelly Tripucka 6.06 1982-1991F 707 20959 8.517.90.30.95.9 7.01.8 3.4 5.2 4.01.30.33.23.123.2<br/>72 Fred Brown 6.03 1972-1984G 963 24422 9.820.60.51.53.1 3.61.3 2.9 4.3 5.22.10.32.83.223.0<br/>73 Terry Cummings 6.09 1983-2000F1183 33898 9.519.60.10.23.9 5.63.8 6.410.2 2.61.50.82.64.523.0<br/>74 Kevin McHale 6.10 1981-1993F 971 30118 9.116.40.10.24.8 6.03.1 6.3 9.5 2.20.52.22.53.723.0<br/>75 George Yardley 6.05 1954-1960F 472 15767 8.119.26.8 8.7 10.7 2.1 3.623.0<br/>76 Gail Goodrich6.01 1966-1979G1031 33527 8.919.45.2 6.41.3 1.9 3.9 5.71.60.23.33.422.9<br/>77 Billy Knight 6.06 1977-1985G 671 18412 8.817.40.10.45.2 6.32.5 4.1 6.6 3.11.40.23.32.622.9<br/>78 Chris Webber 6.09 1995-2006F 685 26462 9.520.10.41.33.4 5.12.8 7.710.5 4.61.61.53.03.522.9<br/>79 Spencer Haywood6.08 1971-1983F 760 25600 9.019.40.00.14.7 5.93.3 7.211.0 2.10.81.43.43.422.8<br/>80 John Havlicek6.05 1963-1978F1270 46471 9.020.64.6 5.71.7 3.8 6.9 5.31.30.32.92.822.7<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/> Count Name Ht From-To PosGMPFG FGA 3P3PA FT FTAORB DRB TRB ASTSTLBLKTOV PF PTS<br/>+-----+------------------------+----+---------+---+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+----+-----+<br/>81 Orlando Woolridge6.09 1982-1994F 851 24041 8.616.70.00.15.5 7.52.3 3.9 6.1 2.70.90.92.93.622.7<br/>82 Ray Allen6.05 1997-2006G 735 27380 7.917.72.66.44.2 4.81.3 3.7 4.9 4.21.30.22.62.622.6<br/>83 Bill Sharman 6.01 1951-1961G 711 21793 8.519.85.6 6.34.9 3.8 3.422.6<br/>84 Jerry Stackhouse 6.06 1996-2006G 719 25311 7.317.91.24.16.7 8.21.3 2.8 4.1 4.41.20.63.72.422.6<br/>85 George McGinnis6.08 1976-1982F 528 16194 8.418.70.00.25.7 8.84.0 8.812.8 4.92.30.64.94.922.5<br/>86 Alonzo Mourning6.10 1993-2006C 736 24016 8.015.30.00.16.4 9.13.4 7.811.1 1.50.73.63.44.222.5<br/>87 Glenn Robinson 6.07 1995-2005F 688 25346 8.819.11.02.93.9 4.81.6 5.0 6.6 3.01.30.63.42.922.5<br/>88 Chet Walker6.06 1963-1975F1032 33433 8.217.56.1 7.61.9 4.6 8.8 2.50.90.1 3.322.5<br/>89 Dave Bing6.03 1967-1978G 901 32769 8.519.25.4 6.91.3 2.3 4.2 6.61.50.33.83.222.4<br/>90 Jay Vincent6.07 1982-1990F 576 15556 9.018.90.00.14.5 5.72.5 5.6 8.1 2.91.10.42.84.222.4<br/>91 Kevin Garnett6.11 1998-2006F 694 27256 8.818.00.20.74.4 5.73.0 9.412.4 5.11.51.72.82.622.3<br/>92 Chris Mullin 6.06 1986-2001F 986 32163 8.416.51.02.64.5 5.21.3 3.7 5.0 4.31.90.72.92.522.3<br/>93 Cazzie Russell 6.05 1967-1978F 817 22213 9.320.13.7 4.41.6 3.2 5.5 3.31.10.21.83.022.3<br/>94 Rik Smits7.04 1989-2000C 867 23100 9.218.10.00.03.9 5.12.7 6.5 9.1 2.10.61.92.75.222.3<br/>95 Bob Love 6.08 1967-1977F 789 25120 8.720.24.8 5.92.3 4.3 7.4 1.81.00.2 3.422.1<br/>96 Rolando Blackman 6.06 1982-1994G 980 32087 8.617.40.30.84.5 5.41.3 2.8 4.1 3.70.90.32.32.022.0<br/>97 Larry Kenon6.09 1977-1983F 503 15517 9.218.80.00.13.6 4.53.5 6.710.2 3.31.70.43.52.822.0<br/>98 Terry Teagle 6.05 1983-1993F 687 14509 9.119.50.10.43.8 4.72.0 3.0 5.0 2.61.40.42.84.222.0<br/>99 Reggie Theus 6.07 1979-1991G1026 34603 8.217.30.31.25.4 6.51.4 2.5 3.9 7.51.40.34.03.522.0<br/> 100 Gus Williams 6.02 1976-1987G 825 25645 9.019.60.31.13.7 4.91.3 2.2 3.5 7.22.60.53.02.622.0<br/></div>
     
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    nice stat sheet. Thanks D.
     
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    Wow, props to your stat box durvasa, though Kobe is 1/1a if you take into account his scoring ability after Shaq left.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, props to your stat box durvasa, though Kobe is 1/1a if you take into account his scoring ability after Shaq left.</div>


    Stat box wasn't a big deal. I just copy/pasted the text from the B-R.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Stat box wasn't a big deal. I just copy/pasted the text from the B-R.</div>

    I also can't help but notice that Elgin Baylor has the lowest TS% on the top 20 or so list (under 50...)...
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I also can't help but notice that Elgin Baylor has the lowest TS% on the top 20 or so list (under 50...)...</div>

    Yes, but also consider that the league average for TS% in the 60s was far lower than it is now. For example, in the 64-65 season, league average TS% was only 47.9%. Since the 80s, it's consistently been around 53% or 54%.
     
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    I think Kobe, in terms of pure scoring ability, has to rank top 2. The only person that I can really put up there with him is MJ. Some will say Wilt, but Wilt wasn't a scorer per se, but just flat out dominant. Kobe is a pure scorer. He can beat you in a plethora of ways and then find more when you think he's done. The only person (that I've watched at least) that I've seen that can do what Kobe is doing now was MJ.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Moo2K4 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think Kobe, in terms of pure scoring ability, has to rank top 2. The only person that I can really put up there with him is MJ. Some will say Wilt, but Wilt wasn't a scorer per se, but just flat out dominant. Kobe is a pure scorer. He can beat you in a plethora of ways and then find more when you think he's done. The only person (that I've watched at least) that I've seen that can do what Kobe is doing now was MJ.</div>

    I mostly agree with your comments Moo, but MJ never had the kind of three point stroke Kobe had; his range was slightly more limited, I'm not dissing him in anyway just stating some advantages Kobe had (MJ made up for his lack of threes in other fashions, etc.).
     
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    HAHA people truly are amazing. Todays poll is How many points will Kobe Bryant score against the Warriors on Sunday?

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    [*]Under 30 points 87%
    [*]50 or more points 10%
    [*]40-49 points 2%
    [*]30-39 points 1%
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    Total Responses: 133311

    Now IMO 30-39 points is the most likely. What are people thinking, are they being realistic and thinking he might be tired ans so on, which doubt or are they plain hatin' on the guys abilities?
     
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