<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The new proposal would send Carter, Marcus Williams and Jamaal Magloire to Indiana for O'Neal. But O'Neal has a bone bruise in his knee that will sideline him at least two weeks.</div> http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/13927772.html O'Neal's contract is one year shorter than Carter's.
It should be an interesting couple of weeks (while Jermaine is out). If we can get the relatively same level of production out of Marcus, Sean, and Boone that we saw tonight against the clippers I'm not sure if we'll make that trade. Heck, even if we're losing... we'll would Jermaine have done that much better than our bigs last night? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but if we're getting 15/15 games out of our C, and 10/10/4 games out of our PF, how much more can we expect out of JON? Enough to warrant giving up Marcus and Carter? Some food for thought
This gotta be the dumbest move i've ever heard in my life.You trade ur go to guy for an injury prone? WTF? If u cant make a good trade,rebuild then.Sean is inconsistent.
O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol </div> He wears a suit more than a jersey during the entire season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol </div> He wears a suit more than a jersey during the entire season. </div> he's had some freak injuries. its not like there minor, either. he pulled his groin about two years ago and that was his biggest one. he played in the playoffs with a dislocated shoulder 3 years ago against the celtics and averaged 20/14. at the very least, he gives us 10+ boards a night and can finish off of Kidd's passes, he is quicker then Magloire. you dont understand, if you want softy Gasol, you'd have to give up Sean but with oneal, you can keep all your young bigs. as a collective unit, thats better then Gasol. then you can trade sean and collins for a SG, Joe Johnson maybe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Jan 20 2008, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how the hell are we gonna score then?? RJ can't handle the scoring load as the 1st option.</div> Defense. at;east with JO, we'd have a post player who can score down there. we can hardly score with VC, why? all jumpshots, we have no one in the post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol </div> Do you have a required number of posts here? Does someone pay you to post a certain number? Your analysis is just plain dumb and your grasp of the facts non-existent. JON said two days ago that he cannot play and practice and he does anticipate being able to do both THIS SEASON. He said this is the worst he has ever felt, that he did not anticipate how difficult this would be. We are not talking microfracture or torn ACL here. This was supposed to be minor knee surgery. Don't know if you saw Bynum go around around JON repeatedly in his career best game two weeks ago. JON could not move. He is no longer quick...and he is owed more over the next two years than Shaq is. Shaq is owed $40 million. JON is owed $44 million. He has a player option this July and he has said he will opt out. If he does--and is not immediately committed to a mental institution as a result, then the Nets would have to negotiate a longer term deal with him. No thanks. As Tim Capstraw said recently, he may only be 29 but he is an old 29 with a lot of wear and tear on those legs. Meanwhile, Josh Boone and Sean Williams look like they will continue to improve. The only saving grace of this losing streak is watching them improve GAME by GAME. Boone is averaging 13.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 1.3 blocks the last four games. Williams is averaging 9.3, 6.8 and 2.8. Both of them have shown a level of mental toughness I was unaware either had. Williams gets blocked by Kaman and doesn't let it bother him. Boone same thing...does an excellent job defending Kaman. Next week we will have an idea of what Krstic can do. Those three guys are 23, 21, and 24. Combined, they don't make one fifth of what JON makes. Iannazzone has been pushing the JON stuff for months and if you read his posts closely, there are enough caveats in there to make it a non-story. Wudda, cudda, shudda, maybe.
anybody think we were just showcasing Marcus against the Clippers? I wouldn't trade Marcus b/c he has great potential and he has a crazy connection with Boone. I would trade Carter though he's been in a few trade ideas now and I think we should just get rid of him b/c mentally hes not gonna be at the top of his game while hes here. Just look at the Bulls.. And Magloire? Why would we trade him when we are saving him for the play-offs?? duhh
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 20 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol </div> Do you have a required number of posts here? Does someone pay you to post a certain number? Your analysis is just plain dumb and your grasp of the facts non-existent. JON said two days ago that he cannot play and practice and he does anticipate being able to do both THIS SEASON. He said this is the worst he has ever felt, that he did not anticipate how difficult this would be. We are not talking microfracture or torn ACL here. This was supposed to be minor knee surgery. Don't know if you saw Bynum go around around JON repeatedly in his career best game two weeks ago. JON could not move. He is no longer quick...and he is owed more over the next two years than Shaq is. Shaq is owed $40 million. JON is owed $44 million. He has a player option this July and he has said he will opt out. If he does--and is not immediately committed to a mental institution as a result, then the Nets would have to negotiate a longer term deal with him. No thanks. As Tim Capstraw said recently, he may only be 29 but he is an old 29 with a lot of wear and tear on those legs. Meanwhile, Josh Boone and Sean Williams look like they will continue to improve. The only saving grace of this losing streak is watching them improve GAME by GAME. Boone is averaging 13.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 1.3 blocks the last four games. Williams is averaging 9.3, 6.8 and 2.8. Both of them have shown a level of mental toughness I was unaware either had. Williams gets blocked by Kaman and doesn't let it bother him. Boone same thing...does an excellent job defending him. Next week we will have an idea of what Krstic can do. Those three guys are 23, 21, and 24. Combined, they don't make one fifth of what JON makes. Iannazzone has been pushing the JON stuff for months and if you read his posts closely, there are enough caveats in there to make it a non-story. Wudda, cudda, shudda, maybe. </div> how many times do we have to go over this, sean and boone are not going to get you anywhere. They both only rely on dunks and shots 2 ft. in, the Nets offense will always be that way until they add a big man who can score. JON has been playing well of late as well. whatever, this is just getting to redundant. if we do make the playoofs, the GREAT teams like Boston and Detroit will simply sag off Boone and Sean and they'll be left open with no idea what to do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 20 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol </div> Do you have a required number of posts here? Does someone pay you to post a certain number? Your analysis is just plain dumb and your grasp of the facts non-existent. JON said two days ago that he cannot play and practice and he does anticipate being able to do both THIS SEASON. He said this is the worst he has ever felt, that he did not anticipate how difficult this would be. We are not talking microfracture or torn ACL here. This was supposed to be minor knee surgery. Don't know if you saw Bynum go around around JON repeatedly in his career best game two weeks ago. JON could not move. He is no longer quick...and he is owed more over the next two years than Shaq is. Shaq is owed $40 million. JON is owed $44 million. He has a player option this July and he has said he will opt out. If he does--and is not immediately committed to a mental institution as a result, then the Nets would have to negotiate a longer term deal with him. No thanks. As Tim Capstraw said recently, he may only be 29 but he is an old 29 with a lot of wear and tear on those legs. Meanwhile, Josh Boone and Sean Williams look like they will continue to improve. The only saving grace of this losing streak is watching them improve GAME by GAME. Boone is averaging 13.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 1.3 blocks the last four games. Williams is averaging 9.3, 6.8 and 2.8. Both of them have shown a level of mental toughness I was unaware either had. Williams gets blocked by Kaman and doesn't let it bother him. Boone same thing...does an excellent job defending him. Next week we will have an idea of what Krstic can do. Those three guys are 23, 21, and 24. Combined, they don't make one fifth of what JON makes. Iannazzone has been pushing the JON stuff for months and if you read his posts closely, there are enough caveats in there to make it a non-story. Wudda, cudda, shudda, maybe. </div> how many times do we have to go over this, sean and boone are not going to get you anywhere. They both only rely on dunks and shots 2 ft. in, the Nets offense will always be that way until they add a big man who can score. JON has been playing well of late as well. whatever, this is just getting to redundant </div> What the hell makes you think you are an expert? You have NO idea what you're talking about. You have no critical thinking skills in this area. None...as proven by your posts in this thread. "Sean and Boone are not going to get you anywhere" What does that mean? This season? Next season? Compared to who? "How many times do we have to go over this?" What arrogance! What pedantry!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 20 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 20 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol </div> Do you have a required number of posts here? Does someone pay you to post a certain number? Your analysis is just plain dumb and your grasp of the facts non-existent. JON said two days ago that he cannot play and practice and he does anticipate being able to do both THIS SEASON. He said this is the worst he has ever felt, that he did not anticipate how difficult this would be. We are not talking microfracture or torn ACL here. This was supposed to be minor knee surgery. Don't know if you saw Bynum go around around JON repeatedly in his career best game two weeks ago. JON could not move. He is no longer quick...and he is owed more over the next two years than Shaq is. Shaq is owed $40 million. JON is owed $44 million. He has a player option this July and he has said he will opt out. If he does--and is not immediately committed to a mental institution as a result, then the Nets would have to negotiate a longer term deal with him. No thanks. As Tim Capstraw said recently, he may only be 29 but he is an old 29 with a lot of wear and tear on those legs. Meanwhile, Josh Boone and Sean Williams look like they will continue to improve. The only saving grace of this losing streak is watching them improve GAME by GAME. Boone is averaging 13.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 1.3 blocks the last four games. Williams is averaging 9.3, 6.8 and 2.8. Both of them have shown a level of mental toughness I was unaware either had. Williams gets blocked by Kaman and doesn't let it bother him. Boone same thing...does an excellent job defending him. Next week we will have an idea of what Krstic can do. Those three guys are 23, 21, and 24. Combined, they don't make one fifth of what JON makes. Iannazzone has been pushing the JON stuff for months and if you read his posts closely, there are enough caveats in there to make it a non-story. Wudda, cudda, shudda, maybe. </div> how many times do we have to go over this, sean and boone are not going to get you anywhere. They both only rely on dunks and shots 2 ft. in, the Nets offense will always be that way until they add a big man who can score. JON has been playing well of late as well. whatever, this is just getting to redundant </div> What the hell makes you think you are an expert? You have NO idea what you're talking about. You have no critical thinking skills in this area. None...as proven by your posts in this thread. "Sean and Boone are not going to get you anywhere" What does that mean? This season? Next season? Compared to who? "How many times do we have to go over this?" What arrogance! What pedantry! </div> look at the nets record, you propoganda machine. what type of skill does it take to realize that this team is not doing well?
Josh and Sean haven't really had an NBA off-season yet so before we put them in the "can't win" catagory, we should wait till they have an off-season of health and good practise.
VC for JO str8 up imo would be better especially for the knicks! VC for Granger IMO would be the best!
I love SWat and J-Biz but we do need more frontcourt production to be an elite team. I have no problem with playing a small line-up and just running the floor non-stop but we aren't really doing that. Either have a solid frontcourt and give them the rock or go with a small line-up. Heres Boston and Detroit's Frontcourt production compared to ours.. (Just starting PF & C). Boston - 26.1pts 15.4reb Detroit - 22.3pts 15.6reb Jersey - 14.5pts 11.9reb
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 20 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 11:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 20 2008, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 20 2008, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 20 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O'Neal isn't going to come here and want to be better like Kidd did. He's going to be a Magloire and think that he should get easy shots.</div> to bad he's quicker and more athletic then magloire. you guys have problems. if we trade Vc and Marcus, we'd still get to keep Sean and Boone along with krstic. I'd rather have Boone, Sean, JON, and Krstic over some soft european like Gasol </div> Do you have a required number of posts here? Does someone pay you to post a certain number? Your analysis is just plain dumb and your grasp of the facts non-existent. JON said two days ago that he cannot play and practice and he does anticipate being able to do both THIS SEASON. He said this is the worst he has ever felt, that he did not anticipate how difficult this would be. We are not talking microfracture or torn ACL here. This was supposed to be minor knee surgery. Don't know if you saw Bynum go around around JON repeatedly in his career best game two weeks ago. JON could not move. He is no longer quick...and he is owed more over the next two years than Shaq is. Shaq is owed $40 million. JON is owed $44 million. He has a player option this July and he has said he will opt out. If he does--and is not immediately committed to a mental institution as a result, then the Nets would have to negotiate a longer term deal with him. No thanks. As Tim Capstraw said recently, he may only be 29 but he is an old 29 with a lot of wear and tear on those legs. Meanwhile, Josh Boone and Sean Williams look like they will continue to improve. The only saving grace of this losing streak is watching them improve GAME by GAME. Boone is averaging 13.3 points, 12.3 rebounds and 1.3 blocks the last four games. Williams is averaging 9.3, 6.8 and 2.8. Both of them have shown a level of mental toughness I was unaware either had. Williams gets blocked by Kaman and doesn't let it bother him. Boone same thing...does an excellent job defending him. Next week we will have an idea of what Krstic can do. Those three guys are 23, 21, and 24. Combined, they don't make one fifth of what JON makes. Iannazzone has been pushing the JON stuff for months and if you read his posts closely, there are enough caveats in there to make it a non-story. Wudda, cudda, shudda, maybe. </div> how many times do we have to go over this, sean and boone are not going to get you anywhere. They both only rely on dunks and shots 2 ft. in, the Nets offense will always be that way until they add a big man who can score. JON has been playing well of late as well. whatever, this is just getting to redundant </div> What the hell makes you think you are an expert? You have NO idea what you're talking about. You have no critical thinking skills in this area. None...as proven by your posts in this thread. "Sean and Boone are not going to get you anywhere" What does that mean? This season? Next season? Compared to who? "How many times do we have to go over this?" What arrogance! What pedantry! </div> look at the nets record, you propoganda machine. what type of skill does it take to realize that this team is not doing well? </div> COMPLETELY irrelevant to thread, which is about the possibility of a JON trade. And as I noted in another thread, typical of your immaturity as a poster. When caught making rash statements, you revert to excuses. Your response is fundamentally dishonest...and personal.
