http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5352987 A consensus among E.R. Doctors is that ObamaCare is driving more people to go to emergency rooms. You know, where it costs less for everything.
Republicans are welcome to create and pass their own plan but...they keep forgetting. People with health insurance sure are jealous about retaining that privilege over those who don't have it.
46 percent see increase. 27 don't. 23 see a decrease. So 50 percent see the same or less people going to er. Consensus?
The 23% are deniers, of course. You left out this bit, conveniently or not: "Over the next three years, 86 percent of these doctors believe emergency room use will increase." And this part: "One of Obamacare's selling points was its potential to reduce costly emergency room visits for care that could more efficiently be delivered in a doctor's office or other setting, especially for patients who previously were uninsured. Increases in ER visits may provide critics fodder to contend the law isn't fulfilling that promise." This isn't some right wing rag, it's HuffPost.
I didn't say it was a right wing rag. I didn't"conveniently" leave that out. If 86 percent thoughti it'd go down, does it matter? I'm sure actual stats would be easy to come by and more reliable than doctor opinion. You said consensus was it went up. That isn't true.
Thanks for the info . . . didn't bother reading the article and didn't know Denny was joking. Idiot me would have been saying consensus among ER Drs is Obamacare is driving more people to ER, if ever came up. Maybe I'm falling too much for Obamacare sucks mantra without really researching it . . . but who has time for that? Anyway thanks again for making it clear. Edit:Repped
It's not to say I fully support or oppose Obamacare by any means, I just thought the article, or method, was kind of meh. I imagine there are statistics to show whether ER visits are up or down. They very well COULD be up all over the place. Asking doctors if they think it's higher or not is a crap method. If I wanted to know whether basketball players' shooting were improving, I could very simply look at their shooting percentages, find stats to show me whether they were trending up or trending down. I wouldn't just simply ask a player hey, do you feel like you're shooting better/worse than last season. And if I DID ask them, and 46% said they were shooting better, 27% said the same, and 23% said worse, I wouldn't try to say that the consensus among players is that they are shooting better this season.
Do you think these doctors guess there are more ER visits, or do you think they might actually, you know, count them?
Do you have better healthcare insurance and access to health care now that we have Obama Care? I sure as hell don't, neither does my wife. Are the only supporters of Obama Care the few that were helped? Nobody got to keep their coverage they had before (or soon the case with employer plans). I don't think anyone was able to buy new coverage cheaper than before unless they accepted a much larger deductible. The article can't be too far off since many people were apparently priced out of insurance by Obama Care or lost their doctor, the emergency room is now their back up plan. So why the doubt? Why does anyone support this plan?
USA Today again for the win. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nts-flocking-to-ers-under-obamacare/10173015/ More patients flocking to ERs under Obamacare LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- It wasn't supposed to work this way, but since the Affordable Care Act took effect in January, Norton Hospital has seen its packed emergency room become even more crowded, with about 100 more patients a month. That 12 percent spike in the number of patients — many of whom aren't actually facing true emergencies — is spurring the Louisville hospital to convert a waiting room into more exam rooms. "We're seeing patients who probably should be seen at our (immediate-care centers)," said Lewis Perkins, the hospital's vice president of patient care and chief nursing officer. "And we're seeing this across the system." That's just the opposite of what many people expected under Obamacare, particularly because one of the goals of health reform was to reduce pressure on emergency rooms by expanding Medicaid and giving poor people better access to primary care. Instead, many hospitals in Kentucky and across the nation are seeing a surge of those newly insured Medicaid patients walking into emergency rooms. Nationally, nearly half of ER doctors responding to a recent poll by the American College of Emergency Physicians said they've seen more visits since Jan. 1, and nearly nine in 10 expect those visits to rise in the next three years. Mike Rust, president of the Kentucky Hospital Association, said members statewide describe the same trend.
Pretty sure they're just Republicans, as most doctors are, and they are just talking shit without knowing if it's a load of crap or not. I certainly hope they're not taking time away from treating emergencies to tally up political debating points. By law, emergency room visits are individually and collectively documented in great detail so nobody's "opinion" is worth beans.
