Obama's 23 point gun control plan

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  1. KingSpeed

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    Seems like a lot of fluff. You're happy with that? I didn't see anything that really accomplishes anything.

    This is the only one that really seemed like it might lead to some kind of action... maybe?

    Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
     
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    It's all about taking action. Making an effort for change. Will it stop all mass shootings? No. But I think, over time, it will reduce them.
     
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    It's not decisive. It's a lot of "have this person look into this" and "that person enforce that."

    I don't really see any actual plan. I don't see any actual move that would reduce violence. Just a lot of fluff. Appoint an ATF director? Ohhhhhhhh. Big move POTUS!!
     
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    A whole lot of bureaucratic nothing.
     
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    Before I would accept any of this, I want to see the specific definition of this phrase, "make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks".

    I also want to know how the phrase dovetails with the Strong Cities Network and the search for extremist.

    Then, I would like to see the language of the Amendment he expects to see pass because there are infringements involved.
     
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    Yup.
     
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    Seems like something a lawyer written up with enough holes to add amendments and more control. Not a fan... He should allow more armed security in schools.
     
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    this
     
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    I think there's nothing wrong with most of these points..but I'm with MarAzul on the slipping between the cracks..that one was a ghosted statement without any directive. Addressing health care and improving the lines of communication between law enforcement and mental health professionals is a start
     
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    Yeah, gun control does not work.
     
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    None of that was gun control.
     
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    Violates The Second Amendment obviously, but also several others.

    It's also purposely vague to allow for endless expansion of who may be considered dangerous enough to be refused arms.

    4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

    Felons, mentally ill, people who live or work with mentally ill or ex-felons, "radicals" i.e. got arrested at a sit-in for peace, religious "extremists", gay protestors, angry bloggers, illiterates, women, the elderly....

    The slippery slope has no bottom.
     
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    Gotta love those statements... heh.
     
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    I really don't think this is anything to worry about. It's a fluff piece. It's a plan to show he's "doing something" without actually doing anything.
     
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    His executive orders cannot do what his plan orders. He needs full support of congress, which should never happen.
     
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    Which is why the plan is fluff. He can use Congress as an excuse and still get the credit for having his "plan."
     
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    Exactly!!!
     
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    We had about a 50 page thread on gun control and mental health in this country yet when the president addresses it, it's fluff? For whatever political agenda folks have...I for one am glad to see the president address the issue if only to shed some light on possibilities. I think it's important that law enforcement work closer with mental health professionals. If he said nothing, you'd say he didn't give a shit..when he says something...it's fluff? One thing is glaringly apparent...folks will argue about this issue to the end...myself...I'm giving the prez a slow golf clap on this one. I like seeing our leaders show more concern over domestic issues.
     
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    The term "fluff" explains how impossible this legislation is to enforce when congress isn't behind you. Obama knows damn well he can't enforce this, but releases it to show America his plan.
     

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