O'Bryant Done

Tell it like it is, Nellie!

 

that's really embarrassing.

 

From the start, I figured he was a long-term project. Seems like he needs to work on effort and intensity as much as anything.

 

Maybe the foul trouble was the result of intensity(?)

I don't want to write him off yet because with Biedrins his ability to contribute impact minutes was hampered by his foul trouble and the need to block everything. It could be the same with POB.

 

Hopefully POB can find that intensity that he needs to be a good NBA basketball player. Hopefully this statement and move will feed him with this intensity. Then hopefully if he doesn't improve dramatically soon, then I suppose all we can hope after is that he has a great offseason and plays great in the summer and then hopefully in the preseason, and keep building off that. I remember POB getting some of those same questionable whistles in the Clippers game that AB gets still. Hopefully he can somehow distance himself away from too much foul trouble so he can play.

 

Oh oh. That word intensity raises red flags with me on POB. One of the biggest negatives was his questionable intensity during games. He also had some problems during workouts keeping his intensity when he was shooting from outside.

Just like with D-League, he started off pretty good, but it seems he has tapered off quite a bit. I'm not ready to write POB off as a bust, but whenever the long-term project label comes out it's a pretty good chance that he is. I can't remember any long-term project labeled player that has shook it off and done well for himself. Even Erick Dampier or Foyle didn't get that label put on them.

I remember Tim Young had that label put on him and he never recovered from it.

 

ouch, that must really hurt. i truely feel sorry for him.

 

Now there's no chance of pulling the wool over some GMs eyes and including the "lottery player" in a trade. There goes his value.

 

<div class="quote_poster">AlleyOop Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Now there's no chance of pulling the wool over some GMs eyes and including the "lottery player" in a trade. There goes his value.</div>

I was thinking the same thing. What good comes out of those comments?

I mean I guess it could challenge POB to improve but couldn't you tell him that to his face? This really drops his value.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I was thinking the same thing. What good comes out of those comments?

I mean I guess it could challenge POB to improve but couldn't you tell him that to his face? This really drops his value.</div>

Yes. Maybe. But what value did POB have before these comments? POB, Sene, Peter John Ramos - they are all pretty much in the same boat as far as trade value goes I would believe. If POB was going to be dealt it would have been as a filler, which is probably the same value as he probably has now. Nelson's comments about Dunleavy not being a very smart player didn't keep him from trading for Dunleavy.

I am really hoping for the best from POB. Hopefully he doesn't become a Tim Young or something. He's still young so hopefully he can bounce back and really impress the team with some good games and whatnot. But POB had five turnovers in his last game in the D-League. It's hard to say something different about POB especially for such a frank guy like Don Nelson.

 

Well, we did draft POB as a long term project, so this really isn't surprising. And, if there was a D-league when Biedrins was a rookie, he also would have spent significant time in there. Hopefully, he will play better in D-league though...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, we did draft POB as a long term project, so this really isn't surprising. And, if there was a D-league when Biedrins was a rookie, he also would have spent significant time in there. Hopefully, he will play better in D-league though...</div>

Finally, someone who sorta sticks up for POB.

Maybe Nelson made such negative evaluation of POB because he doesn't fit his system and not so much the player he can be in the long run.

If Mullin and Higgins can trade POB, then I wouldn't be against it because we have to get better in fairly short time (while Nelson is still the coach) and we need a rebounder and someone who can clog the middle.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Kwan1031 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, we did draft POB as a long term project, so this really isn't surprising. And, if there was a D-league when Biedrins was a rookie, he also would have spent significant time in there. Hopefully, he will play better in D-league though...</div>

Of course POB was drafted as a long term project,nobody EVER claimed otherwise. Biedrins was also a long term-was irrelevant as a rookie-nearly invisible.

Intensity may be fine for a linebacker-but basketball requires energy/intensity applied with some care and preciscion. You can't be too cautious-or too reckless...and finding that balance is tough sometimes.

It was a draft where the real value was in rd 2 "role" players as much as mid first rd "projects". I don't know what,really,we ARE doing to make POB the player we want-or even what realistically we do want. I hope the W's do have those answers,are not just hopeful the kid turns into Olajuwon on his own.

 

I know it's a bit premature but I was thinking about which direction the Warriors should go in this years draft. IMO, we should have used last year's pick on a swingman and I still feel that is an area that needs to be addressed once Peitrus leaves. I think we can get a decent 4 in the 2nd round, but with O'Bryant looking like he's not going to play anytime soon do we have to go big with our first pick again? I would love to finally get a rookie that can contribute right away and I don't think any big guy (other than Oden) can do that.

 

Maybe Nellie feels that POB won't be very useful during his coaching term with GS. I don't know how long Nellie's contract is though.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think that's exactly why Nelson said it. He told the whole world that POB is a pile of crap and if that doesn't motivate POB then what will? If Nellie/Mully wanted him gone they could have traded him already for something (not much but something).</div>

Interesting take. I've heard others say this, too.

But if Nellie told the whole world that you were a pile of crap poster (not saying you are, just as an example) from his multi-million dollar penthouse or multi-million dollar practice facility or wherever he was, and you're sitting in Bakersfield trying to figure out what to do after the basketball game, I doubt you'll suddenly get motivation while you continue to be a crap poster. Just to get out of the D-League and back into the Association should be enough motivation unless, well, you're a long-term project as a poster.

When Nelson sounded like he lost it with Murphy and Dunleavy, I thought he was hitting the bottle. He had just suffered a devastating loss to the Clippers or somebody and Minnesota was on the rise.

Or he could be some guy who has been coaching too long and has lost some of his mental faculties. It's possible because some people think he's a bit crazy with all his different starting lineups, small ball and letting the play go on instead of calling time out which disrupts the flow.

My third theory is it's his way of telling Mullin which players isn't working out for him. Mullin is one of the most tightest lipped GMs in the league if he isn't number one. If you're a media reporter who has gotten an interview with Mullin, it doesn't necessarily mean that you will have a story afterwards. Just what did he say?

Mullin is also stubborn when it comes to giving up the players that he assembled and doesn't make quick decisions in evaluations. Look how long he took to evaluate the team we had last year. He said he was going to do it during all-star game weekend when it already started falling apart at New Year's!!! So even though Nelson and Mullin talk, Nelson may not be able to get feedback on his evaluations of players to his satisfaction from Mullin. He may not get much feedback on anything Mullin does as he sounded surprised when Murfleavy was traded.

 

There is a bit of a leap from what Nellie said to the assertion that the door is closed on POB returning from the D league at some point,or being worthy of his lotto pick at some point. Sene,taken a pick later is also in the D league....and it's no surprise that both are there. The draft has had a trend toward picking bigs before they are ripe. Both POB and Sene had been projected as in the 07 crop....but they showed enough potential that there was a probability both could be top 15 in 06---so they stayed in. The Warriors were not the only team looking at O'Bryant as a rd 1. None of those thought he'd be a factor right away. It's all about the relative scarcity of 7 footers.
Unless you pick top 5,they all come "some assembly required" it is up to teams to maximize the raw material.