OFFICIAL Around The NBA Thread...... August

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by THE HCP, Jul 30, 2018.

  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Yeah, the 20/21 year old season would be a safe bet for that, but not "ever".
     
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    Re: OKC/MIN - I'm guessing they are using 100% health for all projections. A 5-game increase doesn't seem at all far-fetched under that assumption.
    Do agree that POR/SAS projections (especially SAS) seem too low.
     
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    I suspect that by "most improved" they mean "the team whose CARMELO score increased the most from last season to this season". Also known as, the "most improved".
     
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    e_blazer Rip City Fan

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    They better be using the 100% health assumption for those two teams, because they sure don't have much quality depth. The increase may not seem at all far-fetched under that assumption, but the assumption itself sure as hell does. Who gets through an NBA season with 100% health?
     
  5. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    That's what I thought too, Isn't that what the Carm-Elo Adjustment column means?

    If so, +54 > +35.

    BNM
     
  6. hoopsjock

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    Having a healthy Butler definitely would be an improvement but between chemistry issues and losing Crawford and Bjelica I think some of that is off set. I don't think they are 13 games better than us.

    As for the Thunder, I'm not a fan of Roberson because he's pretty much the biggest offensive liability in the league. They were not a good 3 point shooting team last year and did nothing to improve in that department. I'm not scared of them at all.
     
  7. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Certainly not teams that:
    • Rely on injury prone players
    • Rely on players > 32 years old
    • Are coached by Tom Thibodeau
    BNM
     
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  9. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Damn it! I wish he wasn't playing for the Pelicans. Now, I'm actually pulling for the guy to have a bounce back season.

    BNM
     
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    Except that Rodman was a fairly awful defender with the Bulls. He was living on his Pistons reputation at that point... Tremendous rebounder, possibly the biggest offensive negative in league history (he literally hid from the ball), and very lazy defender much of the time. Chicago's team defense was so good, Rodman got a free pass for leaving his man open to get in rebounding position.

    Swap Horace Grant back in for Rodman, and that second 3-peat team would have been sooooo much better, yet Rodman's lasting reputation would indicate just the opposite.
     
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    Makes ya wonder why no one else paid attention enough to give him a shot...
     
  12. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yeah, I'm just glad he didn't end up somewhere like OKC.

    NOP seems like a good fit for him. Because Anthony Davis is just so damn good and versatile, Jahlil could end up backing up both front court positions. He can be the back up 5 next to Mirotic. Not the greatest defensive pairing, but very potent on offense with Mitotic spreading the floor and knocking down 3s while Jahlil operates inside. Bring Davis back in for Mirotic and he also has the ability to play the 4 and can also erase some of Jahlil's mistakes on the defensive end.

    He definitely seems to be working hard. Getting cut by by the Nets must have been a wake up call.

    BNM
     
  13. riverman

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    Dennis Rodman won defensive player of the year twice in his career....Ben Wallace won it twice in his career...both were stellar defenders...don't know where you get lazy from that but..hey….to each his own.Both guys we're undersized and had an uncanny knack for the ball...tough defenders...neither could shoot a midrange jumper or would even look to...Rodman was also an exceptional passer.
     
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    I wish we had seen a Transformation picture from swanigan..
     
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  15. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Have you not seen pics of him when he was younger? I sometimes wonder if you get the ENTIRE internet in whatever foreign land you live in.
     
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    Yes i saw it, i also saw that he looked in worse shape this year in Summer League than he was last year bro
     
  17. handiman

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    You must have missed where I said, "Except that Rodman was a fairly awful defender with the Bulls. He was living on his Pistons reputation at that point..." He was DPOY in '89-90 and '90-91, early in his Pistons career and long before his tenure with the Bulls.

    I don't fault you, though. Most people are more heavily influenced by what they're told than what they see.
     
  18. riverman

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    nonsense...I watched him play for the Bulls and he was an excellent defender....you must not have liked his hair I guess...or his personality...on the court he was a great defender....just ask Karl Malone...he was the bad boy of the league though...just like Sheed became...both were exceptional defenders...both had a bad boy tag that in the media defined their personalities but had nothing to do really with their basketball skills...I'd say if anything you were referencing his media persona and ignoring his actual basketball skills and I'm someone who was never a Bulls fan
     
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    His lower core seemed much stronger this summer league...legs were much stronger...I don't see anything in the kid that says....bad shape at all.
     
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    Man, you love you some scrubs. It's adorable!
     

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