For those wondering, (or too lazy to read the link), Kobe finished 4th, although he racked up 22 first place votes, more then Lebron and Dirk, but not more then Nash.
Great choice, he is te obvious candidate. In the offseason, everyone predicted that Phoenix wouldn't play well, especially without Amare. But with Nash, every player has gotten better. Coincidence....or MVP?? Now i do think however, that if Kobe woudlve been playin the regular season as well as he was in the playoffs, the voting may have been a little different.
To me, this pick was complete crap. Not to be biased or anything, but how can Kobe not get this award? He led a team of underachievers and nobodies to the playoffs and pushed the Suns to elimination. He had one of the best individual seasons we've seen in a long time. And beyond all this, he carried that team on his back to 45 wins in the regular season. You take Kobe off that team, they go nowhere. Maybe 20 wins if they're lucky. Take away Nash they still make the playoffs. Marion has all sorts of talent, Boris Diaw is a triple double threat every night, Raja Bell is a lock down defender and can fill it up on the other side, and to top it off, Eddie House and Leandro Barbosa were two of the most productive bench players throughout the year. Yet, he still wins MVP. To me, this is just the media proving once again that they still refuse to see what Kobe did. No matter how good he played, he always got reemed by them all season. When he scored 61, they reemed him for sitting the 4th. When he dropped 82, they reemed him for being too selfish and doing it against a weak opponent. So, to see this, it didn't surprise me at all. Because, no matter what Kobe has done this season, his critics (the media) refuse to look at him in a positive matter, so why start now.
Great post, Moo2k4! Nash wins the MVP, congratulate to him and his family lol. End of story, let's move on..., no more debating who should be mvp it's over
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">To me, this pick was complete crap. Not to be biased or anything, but how can Kobe not get this award? He led a team of underachievers and nobodies to the playoffs and pushed the Suns to elimination. He had one of the best individual seasons we've seen in a long time. And beyond all this, he carried that team on his back to 45 wins in the regular season. You take Kobe off that team, they go nowhere. Maybe 20 wins if they're lucky. Take away Nash they still make the playoffs. Marion has all sorts of talent, Boris Diaw is a triple double threat every night, Raja Bell is a lock down defender and can fill it up on the other side, and to top it off, Eddie House and Leandro Barbosa were two of the most productive bench players throughout the year. Yet, he still wins MVP. To me, this is just the media proving once again that they still refuse to see what Kobe did. No matter how good he played, he always got reemed by them all season. When he scored 61, they reemed him for sitting the 4th. When he dropped 82, they reemed him for being too selfish and doing it against a weak opponent. So, to see this, it didn't surprise me at all. Because, no matter what Kobe has done this season, his critics (the media) refuse to look at him in a positive matter, so why start now.</div> The suns without Nash would have been very unlikely to make the playoffs. they didnt make the playoffs when they had stephon marbury and shawn marion and joe johnson and amare stoudemire. Of course all the suns have talent but they cant seem to win without Nash. Personally I think Dirk should have taken it. cant really argue with kobe finfishing 4th
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting vcwannabe15:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe deserved more than LeBron and Dirk, but not more than Nash.</div> I agree
easy Lebron is a better all around player than kobe his efficiency in the nba is better than kobe efficiency, nash make a better job is evident with stoudomire injury and some others big downs he still made his team a big contender, kobe is a good player but he is no mvp, why? becuase he scores 81 points in a era in where big scores are promoted because of the rules, is just a good scoring performer but is he capable to make the plays in important games like in the playoff 7 game, is fucking bullshit that he is better than Lebron, Lebron have more assist per game, more rebounds and still make a lot of points, kobe is a great one night player in the playoff he could have one or two games in where he is very hot, but when you cold him off he can not step his game up like Bird, Johson or Jordan did, the only reason that Kobe have three rings is because of Shaq and that big cast he have in his past, Know is when he needs to show people that he is a better player than the others in the league, and you can not claim to be better than a player who made a team win over your team like nash did with phoenix, the man is the one who control the game, kobe is the one that is controlled by the game of phoenix, no way kobe deserves the mvp, dont let the fanatism to go into your heads and be real with the facts of the game.
^Wow, I didn't have to look at your join date to know that you're a new member <font color=""red"">***Edit***</font>. Kobe didn't deserve it as much as Nash, but he deserved it more than Bron and Dirk. <font size="1"><font color=""Red"">* For a more "veteran" member, you should know personal attacks are against the guidelines - Voodoo Child</font></font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">^Wow, I didn't have to look at your join date to know that you're a new member <font color=""red"">***Edit***</font>. Kobe didn't deserve it as much as Nash, but he deserved it more than Bron and Dirk. <font size="1"><font color=""Red"">* For a more "veteran" member, you should know personal attacks are against the guidelines - Voodoo Child</font></font></div> Why don't you give arguments instead of just posting statements. LeBron: 31ppg 7 rpg 6.6 apg 50 wins if that's not a top 2 MVP candidate then i dont know. and Virve why dont you get off the lebron bashing bandwaggon you've obviously got some issues with him or your jealous or whatever, its getting played.
Again, I've never understood the "Kobe should at least be second" argument. If you're going to award the MVP to Nash, and emphasize the team's record as a major determining factor, then you have to stay consistent with that logic and place Dirk and Lebron right behind Nash. All three of them are very close, in terms of achieving that balance between individual statistics and team success (I thought Dirk was ahead actually). Either you give Kobe the MVP, or slide him down the 3rd or 4th.
This is why I wasnt convinced on Kobe winning the MVP. You can claim how he had a great year, 35ppg, helped take the Lakers back to the playoffs etc. but really, he wasnt playing with a great team (which gave him a bigger work load, forcing him to score alot more than previous years) and they only just made the playoffs (compared to the likes of Phoenix who coasted through easily), to me that is a great season, not an MVP season.
the award is a joke, everyone knows inside that kobe is the real mvp and the BEST player. Next year will tell...
Congratulations, Steve ! It's incredible. If they could make it to the conference finals - then it would be a amazing season (so far without Amare!)
easy im new to this forum but not new in basketball, dont be so ignorant your arguments shows the iq you have, no more to say
I dunno...You could argue the Lakers won 45 games in spite of having a selfish leader who even their coach described as "narcissistic". Kobe and the Supremes sounds great unless you are a nameless Supreme...Kobe has shown an unwillingness to coexist and share his sandbox with marquee players..eg Shaq...Karl. ..etc. The first three games of the recent Suns series shows that there is significant talent on the Lakers, who, until then, had been demoted to observing Kobe play, and just watching rather than being directly engaged in the contest. It is easy to label them as underacheivers and to blame them. But another equally plausible reason is at least possible. The alternative POV is they were taken out of the game by one of their own. No one is stupid enough to debate the otherworldly talent of the man. ...He is the third best player, ever. However, 'valuable' imho refers to a contribution to the teams overall success. In his case he, arguably, brought his teammates down by his dominance and, yes, ego. Lastly, imho Kobe is the only player in the league who could become MVP by sincerely "deciding to". He can't seem to get out of his own way when it comes to elevating the play of his team mates. He could do what Stevie does, and much better, but he's gotta want to. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">To me, this pick was complete crap. Not to be biased or anything, but how can Kobe not get this award? He led a team of underachievers and nobodies to the playoffs and pushed the Suns to elimination. He had one of the best individual seasons we've seen in a long time. And beyond all this, he carried that team on his back to 45 wins in the regular season. You take Kobe off that team, they go nowhere. Maybe 20 wins if they're lucky. Take away Nash they still make the playoffs. Marion has all sorts of talent, Boris Diaw is a triple double threat every night, Raja Bell is a lock down defender and can fill it up on the other side, and to top it off, Eddie House and Leandro Barbosa were two of the most productive bench players throughout the year. Yet, he still wins MVP. To me, this is just the media proving once again that they still refuse to see what Kobe did. No matter how good he played, he always got reemed by them all season. When he scored 61, they reemed him for sitting the 4th. When he dropped 82, they reemed him for being too selfish and doing it against a weak opponent. So, to see this, it didn't surprise me at all. Because, no matter what Kobe has done this season, his critics (the media) refuse to look at him in a positive matter, so why start now.</div>
Another fact that supports my previous point, that either Kobe has to win the MVP or he falls to 4th. Kobe got more 1st place votes than Lebron and Dirk, but had less total points than both. Clearly the media is split upon the issue the exact same way. Either they thought he was the winner, or didn't think he was in the top 3. The fact that he didn't win, shows that more people chose the latter.
