kudos to scorbutic's information gathering skills from Suns.com: From there, the organization will prepare for the June 22 expansion draft. Phoenix is expected to leave Howard Eisley ($13.3 million over the next two years) and Jahidi White ($5.9 million next year) unprotected and could convince Charlotte to take one of them by including a draft pick and/or up to $3 million. does anyone else feel like Casey's winning the hustle award is a bad sign for Voskuhl's future? He got over a third of the online poll but he didn't get the Suns' organization votes. He's a great backup energy center. Some people feel the big lacking in the kings' defense is Pollard's defense. Pollard is no star of any kind but he made a big difference on the team. Anyone know the status of Lampe's defense? He might be our backup to the FA next year.
I'd guess playing the MOST MINUTES in the NBA had something to do with JJ's last 2 games. Who would have guessed that? Seriously it should be a freakin' "DID YOU KNOW?" -- JJ played 40.6 minutes per game (which isn't tops in the NBA) but has a total of 3331 minutes (which is #1 in the NBA) -- that's insane and I've mentioned it before, JJ needs rest... so perhaps 3300+ minutes was too much for him and he got <u>tired</u> the last 2 games of the season. Or due to the games not mattering, he didn't get up for them, he could have had stuff on his mind, I can't say for sure (obviously) I'm guessing fatigue. Thanks, though anybody could have guessed it (and many have) the problem is White is going to be the one who the Suns bribe Charlotte to take... I really, really, really wish it was Eisley, but I've come up with a way to have both of them gone and save the Suns' even MORE money. * Bribe the Bobcats to take White * Trade the Suns' 1st Round pick to a team under them along with Eisley for that team's 1st round pick this year, and perhaps some cash or a future 1st or 2nd. What this does is rids us of Eisley's and White's contracts, plus the rookie we get won't cost as much as a top 6 pick (or w/e they end up with) -- and it's not like there's a rookie that we NEED. Now the Suns' have plenty of money for free agentcy. Of course when I was at the Clippers/Suns game I couldn't find Mr. Colangelo to tell him of my idea, so I hope they're smart enough to figure this one out themself
JJ is not going to al the sudden get affected by the minutes... I was asking if he had an injury or something. You really have a gracious manner pal. Has there ever been anyone who's been traded on draft day for a change in picks? The difference in pick prices from top of the round to bottom isn't going to exceed 2million. That is not that bad.
There has been a lot of players traded on draft day for a change in picks. Kobe and Nowitzki are the only one's that come to mind for me, you guys might come up with others.
Fatigue can hit a player suddenly... I'm not sure if that's what happened to JJ, but I've seen many players hit a wall and then blame it on being tired. Not sure if that's the real reason, my gripe is about JJ's minutes, he plays too many and never gets rest. If the Suns get the #7 pick they would pay around $2.1 million for the first year (last year's 7th pick, Hinrich, was paid that) -- let's say they traded down to 13th or 14th, they'd only be paying him $1.4 million -- and add to that the $6.4 million Eisley makes next year, that's around $7.1 million in savings for trading down, plus they would pick up a 1st or 2nd rounder in the future. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Has there ever been anyone who's been traded on draft day for a change in picks?</div> * Lakers traded Divac to Hornets for the 13th pick (Kobe) * Chiacgo traded Brand to Clippers for Skinner and the 2nd pick (Chandler) * Memphis traded Abdur-Rahim to Atlanta for the 3rd pick (Gasol), Brevin Knight and Lorenzen Wright * Dallas traded Martin Muursepp, Bubba Wells and 19th pick (Garrity) and a 1999 first-round draft selection to Phoenix for Steve Nash There are many draft day deals every year... David Stern comes to the mic and says "There's been a trade" and the crowd cheers -- it's how Phoenix got Barbosa (traded San Antonio on draft day to get the pick).
jeez... boston has three first round picks next year! That's besides the point. There aren't many western teams we can trade down the draft to (assuming a western team will want Jahidi as a shaq defender) bargain with. Dallas needs him the most of any of the western bigs but they don't have a pick to trade us. Sacramento is 26th and they could use jahidi if Vlade retires... (he's wanted in the Serbian political arena as we speak). Otherwise Portland has Ratliff now, seattle has bad performing centers but plenty of them, Goldent State might be in if they lose both Foyle and Dampier to FA (that might be likely). Somehow I just don't see him in the east. I'd like to see us get one of the Brazilian PFs (either Varejao or Splitter) and add that Brazilian energy and offense to our uptempo game. Though that is supposed to be what Z is up to. Speaking of Z... " Ray: How much concern is there about Zarko Cabarkapa? We saw this young man come in, deal with some adversity with hernia surgery in training camp and was just beginning to really be that player that everybody in the organization had envisioned, goes down with the punk move by Danny Fortson and never even came close to being that player again. It?s clear his psyche has been rattled. How much concern is there about his offseason? D?Antoni: There?s concern any time a player doesn?t perform the way we had hoped ?we saw this summer that he was good, he couldn?t fool us for two months, so we know it?s there. It?s just a matter of regaining his confidence, working a little harder in the weight room, getting stronger and getting over the fear of breaking his wrist. Being in a foreign country for the first time and he?s a very sensitive kid anyway, and you have somebody that undercuts you and you have people questioning whether you can play or not, it?s tough. There?s all kinds of reasons he didn?t play well going down the stretch. He?s going to try out for the Serbian Olympic team and being home with his coaches for a little while, then he?ll come back here to regain the confidence he had when he came over the first time. I think he can. He was getting a lot better defensively. I always worried that he couldn?t guard anybody, that offensively he would be so good that he could get on the floor anyway. At the end of the year his defense was okay, but offensively he was just horrible and that?s not him. We?ve seen him do too many things too many times that are impressive. We have to have some patience. Then the last step he?s going to have to take and we can?t take it for him. Somewhere, he?s going to have to say, ?You know what, I?ve got to kick somebody?s rear.? He?s going to have to do that and when he does that then he?ll blossom out. A little bit of patience and we?ll work with him. He?s still a young kid and this will be his second year in and he?ll know what to expect and hopefully at the end of the summer we?ll have another person that most people are not counting on right now. That last sentence is interesting... that was from suns.com That Nash trade has to go down as the worst in club history. It sounds like they don't expect Z to get on the natiional team... unfortunately I hope he doesn't. Z might not have the mental instinct to make it. Remember the fiasco when he first guarded Stojakavic? He was so giddy he let Peja embarass him BADLY. You could see in his face as he was on the bench that he knew he'd just benched himself for awhile.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There aren't many western teams we can trade down the draft to (assuming a western team will want Jahidi as a shaq defender) bargain with</div> Jahidi is being drafted by the Charlotte Bobcats (well at least that's what I'm hearing) the Suns are going to bribe them with $3 million + Cleveland's 1st rounder (whenever they make the playoffs) -- I'm talking about trading Eisley + Suns 1st rounder for a lower pick... how about Utah (14th)? Eisley did well with them, he knows the system, and although they have good young guards, I'm not sure what they are going to do (I think some may free agents) so this gives Utah more options and depth. Plus they get a top pick, so they can get Podkolzine (Ostertag's replacement). The Suns' may also be able to smuggle back their future 1st round pick they traded in the Clark deal. I'm just talking, but situations like this aren't out of the question, but the Lottery will have to pass before anybody can speculate. If the Suns get a top 3 pick, this is going to be a major possibility (though instead of getting 14, we're talking 8 or 9). The Nash trade was FAR from being the worst. They had Kidd and KJ in the backcourt (though KJ retired the year following the trade anyway) so Nash was expendable and they did get Shawn Marion (he was the 1999 draft pick) -- sorry but I'd say Garrity and Marion are better than Nash (especially when he'd have ridden the bench behind Kidd). The worst is obviously the Penny Hardaway trade.... not because we lost much, we only lost Garrity, Manning and two future first rounders (one of which we got back in the Bo Outlaw deal, who turned out to be Amare Stoudemire). The first rounder we did lose Orlando choose Jeryl Sasser (big deal). The reason is was a bad trade is because he ate up salary for years and we were pretty much stuck until we could unload his salary (thankfully it's finally done).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting panfolk:</div><div class="quote_post">Has there ever been anyone who's been traded on draft day for a change in picks? </div> There are player for pick trades almost every year in the draft, the most noteable one in recent years is the Elton Brand for the #2 pick, which was Tyson Chandler.
fine and dandy. so it's doable. I think we would have better luck bribing Charlotte to take Eisley and then trading Jahidi on draft day.
I'd agree it would be EASIER to trade White on draft-day.... but bribing Charlotte to take Eisley would be impossible. Charlotte won't want Eisley (due to the length of his contract) and they could USE White next season and then let him go on his way... it makes more sense for them to take White. They could always take Eisley and cut him (he won't count against their cap, but they still have to pay him, which goes through the 06/07 season) but why take a player and not use him, when you can take possibly the 2nd biggets guy in the NBA, and put him to great use in the smaller East. Charlotte wants cheap, short contracts until they get a full salary cap.... White's is cheaper and much shorter than Eisley's.
Coaches entering the final year of their contracts often are viewed as halfway out the door, particularly in an era when coaches' tenures are increasingly short. So the Suns probably will want to give D'Antoni an extension to give him more of an air of authority in dealing with players. Suns president Bryan Colangelo declined comment on whether D'Antoni would get an extension. He would only say he is working on a number of issues involving the coaching staff, including the filling of the assistant coaching vacancy created when D'Antoni replaced Johnson. 'http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=21176','211')
whoa guys, whats this I hear about rumors that marion, johnson and voskuhl have been offered for mcgrady, A friend just linked me up today, but i don't have the link anymore, are these rumors true?
I couldn't agree more. Johnson and Marion are noth 20ppg players, and Marion is one of teh top rebounders in the league. When I first read about this trade I seriously thought It was a joke. All we can hope for now is that this doesnt go through.
I don't think the Suns will trade Marion and JJ I think they will hang on to one (more than likely JJ) Marion and lotto pick + Casey or Voskhul for T-Mac. Thats assuming we can get a gurantee that T-Mac won't opt out of his contract after this upcoming season.
