Obama Executive Order to Freeze Accounts Wow well lets hope the government doesn't see you as a threat. They may just take all your money away; without you having any right to sue. YAY!!!!!
It's insane man. Actions like this could scare people with money to create off shore accounts. Possibly even leave the country in fear of losing everything.
I don't think you'll find many on the Left uncomfortable with President Obama's EOs, which is highly disingenuous. The problem is precedent is being set and when some socially conservative crazy right winger President does the same thing, folks on the Left are going to howl. We have a separation of powers, all branches equal to the other. As was noted in the article, these EOs combine the Legislative, Executive and Judicial functions into one branch, with no check nor a balance. Nixon tried to create an Imperial Presidency, and became the most despised figure of his time by the Left. Obama takes the concept further than Nixon ever dreamed, and he's a hero. Be careful for what you wish.
Terrorism is not funny. But what determins a terrorist? So the federal government won't need any true evidence to freeze a suspected terrorist? I mean the federal government can freeze any accounts before; but they just needed evidence to support the freezing. Now they can just suspect and freeze. Sounds very constitutional doesn't it?
You don't need any evidence to torture someone either. I think barfo was just trying to point out that money is just another step in the same process that many presidents started.
There's a big difference between someone captured on the "battlefield" and someone minding their own business here in the USA.
In one case the government says they were doing bad things on the "battlefield", and in the other case the government says they were doing bad things with money. Why is the government more believable/trustworthy in one case than the other? barfo
Enemy soldiers are not US citizens, they were captured outside our borders, and its the right thing to let the military deal with POW situations. If those enemies were shot dead on sight, it would have been accepted as casualties of war. If the people Obama steals from we're shot on sight, it'd be criminal - a high crime or misdemeanor. Obama swore an oath to uphold the constitution. Since you think it's a living document, you probably have no problem with our "obsolete" Rights being eliminated.
Who says they were captured outside our borders? Who says they are not US citizens? Oh yeah, the government you don't trust. barfo
So you think it's OK to trust the govt. in both cases? Figures. In any case, there is documentation about the people captured outside our borders that the govt. can't control. That they're captured outside our borders, that is.
What I think is silly how, for the most part, people don't care when the president from "their side" does something, but only get their heckles up when it comes from the opposing party. Not saying that's true of anyone here, but I"ve noticed it in others. Law enforcement already has the power to undermine someone's rights by coming after them as a "terrorist". They actually tried to bring terrorism charges against an American Journalist who was documenting the FEMA disaster after Hurricaine Katrina. Fact is both Obama and Bush voted for the Patriot Act, and have continued a policy of recording every phone conversation, which many find to be unconstitutional.
This is a bigger issue IMO: The US military can have an american citizen arrested and detained indefinitely. Now why on earth would they need that power? Totally unconstitutional. Both Bush and Obama signed this act. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY4WuyGGCD8
two good posts Sinobas If you want to really have an idea how fuck Our constitutional rights are, look at the executive orders signed over the past 50 years...Our rights are an illusion..when the Gov wants, they can and will take control of everything
Many, if not most, of those tortured by the US as suspected terrorists were rounded up at their homes not any battlefield. Quite a few were kidnapped in America, and some were US citizens. It's all the same game.
