Ohio installs cruiserweight division for amateurs

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More weight classes are...

  1. good for amateurs and pros

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  2. good for amateurs, not pros

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  3. not good for anyone

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  4. not needed yet, maybe in another decade

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  5. not interesting, no opinion

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  1. speeds

    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    The Ohio Athletic Commission has instituted a 206-225lbs. weight class for amateur competition in order to protect young and inexperienced heavyweights.

    The current weight classes recognized by the NSAC are...

    Flyweight (125lbs.)
    Bantamweight (135lbs.)
    Featherweight (145lbs.)
    Lightweight (155lbs.)
    Welterweight (170lbs.)
    Middleweight (185lbs.)
    Light Heavyweight (205lbs.)
    Heavyweight (265lbs.)

    Super Heavyweight (>265lbs.)

    Cruiserweight would bridge the gap between light heavyweight and heavyweight which currently is a 60lbs. difference. Pro fighters who would fit into the cruiserweight division include Forrest Griffin, Minotauro Nogueira, and Mirko Cro Cop, assuming a reasonable ten pound weight cut.

    In contrast, boxing has adopted seventeen weight classes from 105lbs. to above 200lbs.. Like in MMA, the difference between weight classes increases as the weights get heavier, starting at about three or four pounds and moving up to a 25lbs. jump from cruiserweight to heavyweight. There is a discrepancy in boxing as well where you will see fighters such as Nikolai Valuev (7'/315lbs.) fight guys 100lbs. lighter, such as David Haye.

    There is a theory that more weight classes would diminish weight cutting which is a dangerous and sometimes fatal strategy. Some pro fighters (including Gleison Tibau, Thiago Alves, Forrest Griffin, and others) cut upwards of 25lbs. going into a fight to make weight. Not only is this a risk for the fighter, it also creates a situation where the sport of weight cutting can create an imbalance in a fight. Think of the Tibau/Uno fight from UFC 111 where Uno was significantly smaller than Tibau and was rag-dolled in the fight.

    Some have suggested that the weight classes be realigned so that there are only 10lbs. increments up to 200lbs. at which point the cruiserweight division (225lbs.), heavyweight division (265lbs.), and super heavyweight (266lbs.+) divisions still show a jump, as below:

    Flyweight (125lbs.)
    Bantamweight (135lbs.)
    Featherweight (145lbs.)
    Lightweight (155lbs.)
    Welterweight (165lbs.)
    Super Welterweight (175lbs.)
    Middleweight (185lbs.)
    Super Middleweight (195lbs.)
    Light Heavyweight (205lbs.)
    Cruiserweight (225lbs.)
    Heavyweight (265lbs.)

    Super Heavyweight (>265lbs.)

    Some will argue that too many belts waters down the quality of the divisions, especially for title fights. Also, there is still the wrestling mentality that a fighter should compete at the lowest weight possible by cutting as much weight as he can in order to give himself the biggest size advantage in the fight--possibly encouraging already shredded fighters to push to make one weight class lower when they otherwise wouldn't.

    However, more weight classes allows fighters more flexibility to move between classes and contend for multiple championships. Splitting welterweight into 165lbs. and 175lbs. creates a situation in which multi-class fighters such as BJ Penn could compete for three titles, supposing they aren't forced to vacate as they move up. It also allows "in-between" fighters such as Rashad Evans (195lbs.) and Pat Barry (225lbs.) to settle into more natural classes.

    The boxing argument also is not applicable because there is only one recognized title per promotion (despite the best efforts of WAMMA). There is no confusion about who is a disputed or an undisputed champion unless an interim belt is created.
     
  2. Chocolove

    Chocolove Active Member

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    I think one day this will have to happen, but right now the pool of fighters isn't big enough to support so many weight classes. I think I brought this up about HWs in the UFC before but a few people made the argument that the HW pool isn't big enough for this type of split and i kinda agree with it.
     
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    Big Frame Well-Known Member

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    Im thinking if you add weight class's for amateurs, and they keep fighting in that weight class, wouldnt the jump to the pro's be easyer if they kept the same weight class?
     
  4. Celtic Fan

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    I don't think it'll stop or discourage the weight cutting at all because fighters will still try and make the lowest weight class they possibly can. Hell it could backfire and if the next lowest weight class is 'only another 10lbs.' guys may try and cut that extra 10 lbs. and suffer.

    changing the weigh-ins to the morning of the fights (say 12 hours prior to the 1st matchup) would discourage severe weight cutting better IMO.
    But then again, that may affect the gambling... couldn't have that now could we :D

    p.s. totally agree that the talent pool isn't big enough yet to add weight classes.
     

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