Not in the remedial form, but as it pertains to JJ Hickson and a player like Tyreke Evans. I understand Sacramento does not own his rights because they didn't make him a QO, but if a team traded for him, would they have any sort of protection? As for Hickson, we own his Bird rights, but if he is traded the team trading for him does not get them? Do I have that right?
Yes you have that right about hickson. I think it has more to do with not having a multi year contract. If he was signed for more than two years, then his bird rights would transfer.
Um, your Evans questions don't make much sense because you're making false assumptions. For Evans: The kings have Tyreke Evans Bird Rights this offseason, he's been there for 4 years and all they need is 3. As for the QO, of course they haven't made him a qualifying offer yet, they can't do that until this offseason. And whether or not they do it doesn't effect his Bird Rights, only whether or not he becomes a UFA or RFA this offseason. Hickson: Bird Rights are tranfered in trades, so a team trading for Hickson would have the same rights we have. From Larry Coons CBA FAQ (1st bullet in the question) http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q32
Qualifying Offers have nothing to do with Bird Rights. Kings offering the QO or not = whether or not Evans becomes a restricted free agent or a an unrestricted free agent Bird Rights = being with a team for 3 or more years, either with one contract or a series of contracts. Gives that team a salary cap exception to go over the cap to resign that player.
Look at the FAQ, if we have Hickson's Bird Rights and we trade Hickson, his new team gets the same rights.
My knowledge of Bird Rights rivals Charlie Kelly's knowledge of Bird Law. [video=youtube;YvSx7-CTTl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvSx7-CTTl4[/video]
For Evans, they have his Bird rights. They picked up all of his rookie options, they just didn't extend him by Oct. 31. What you might be thinking of is the situation we have with Luke and Nolan, where we didn't pick up their 4th-year options: Tyreke's situation is essentially the same thing we had for Nic last year, where they can offer a 6.9M Qualifying offer which makes him an RFA. If they don't extend the QO then he's an unrestricted free agent. If we traded for him before the deadline, we would get his Bird Rights in trade. However, his cap hold is $10,503,650. One of the bigger benefits of bird rights (for non-max players) is that usually someone's cap hold is lower than what you want to pay them (for instance, IF JJ was going to get a max contract this summer, we could stash his 7.6M cap hold until we'd signed all of our new FA's, then go over the cap to give him the max). But since there's little likelihood that we'd want to have a 10.5M hold on our books in free agency. JJ is a different case. If, looking into the future, Tyreke accepts the QO b/c he just wants out of SAC after one year (see Ben Gordon), then he'd be in the same category next year as JJ is now.
That is only true when you your Bird Rights came from a 3 year or longer deal. Hickson is on a 1 year deal so if he is traded his new team doesn't get his Bird Rights.
Eh, I was wrong on JJ. Didn't know there was a special exception for one year contract players. Now my question for you BWA is this, I keep hearing that we have Hickson's Bird Rights in every article and post but then in Coon's FAQ there's this under #32 http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q32 So Hickson wasn't amnestied, and we picked him up off the wire. So do we have full Bird Rights?
From reading the info in BWA's post I get that it's only not true when a player signed a 1yr deal and is trading during that season. If we have Bird Rights on a FA and sign them to a 2yr deal they could be traded and the new team would get the rights, so close but not quite true.
The arbitrators ruled in June 2012 that it was in keeping w/ the spirit of the CBA and Bird Rights to keep them if you were *claimed* off of waivers. If you passed through, you lost them. We claimed JJ. Same went for Lin and Chauncey and Novak. http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/6/2...r-gives-blazers-f-j-j-hickson-his-bird-rights
Ah nice, didn't see that article or read about the arbitration. I kept thinking I must be missing something, and that was it. Thanks
So for example, we can simply not renounce him, sign him to a contract of say 9 mm and then deal him for a player making up to 15 mm or whatever our cap room is plus whatever we signed Hickson for....right?
Yes, we could S&T him for any players that wouldn't put us over the cap. Any trade that might potentially put us over the cap would be subject to base-year-compensation consideration.
