OT: Phil Jackson: Jordan was better than Kobe

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  1. KingSpeed

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    Good read!!! I do like how true measurement of legacy is titles. If you don't have titles; you shouldn't be compared to any other player with titles IMO.
     
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    So Robert horry > karl malone?
     
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    I think the measuring meter is by the superstar, not role players.

    But let's not kid ourselves. Karl Malone could have won two rings in Utah if it wasn't for Jordan. Also that Utah was the only team that almost beat those bulls.
     
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    And better then Jordan.

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    I'm not sure you've noticed, but basketball is a team game. :)
     
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    So you're saying if Jordan was replaced with, let's say, wilkens the bulls win 6 titles?
     
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    No, he's saying if Pippen was replaced with Wilkins, Jordan doesn't win 6 titles.
     
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    The Suns came closest to beating the Bulls, IMO. Ho Grant sucked against Barkley. He had trouble making shots up close, on the fast break, etc. He was so chicken by the end of game 6 he passed to Paxson who hit the game winning 3 instead of going for the uncontested dunk.

    Game 7 would have been in Phoenix.

    EDIT: Grant was 0-5 from the field that game.
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199306200PHO.html
     
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    That would mean Wilkens would have Pippen and Pippen did a hell of a lot better without Jordan that Jordan did without Pippen.
     
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    Which team had a better shot at the title? Jordan and wilkens or Pippen and wilkens?
     
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    Lmao dude Jordan was way past his prime when he played for Washington. Wtf guys?!?!
     
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    Jordan and anyone.
     
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    And it only takes a smart actor to have a good insight on reality.

    Sometimes the downplay in this forum is outta control!
     
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    So Bill Russell > Michael Jordan then?
     
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    Well in 94\95 Jordan retired for the first time and in 95/96 Pippen should have been MVP leading the Bulls into the playoffs and into the 2nd round without MJ.
     
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    Some may argue yes. They would have a good argument. The dude was getting 20+ boards and many said 10+ blocks a game. Also, he smacked around wilt like a bitch in the finals. He was sooo into wilts head! That's a tall order.
     
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    Hmmmm sounds like you are a little young to not remember Jordan in the 80's. anyone that says Jordan couldn't win without Pippen is insane! You guys are too funny!
     
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    Players don't win titles. Teams do. You get a ring for playing your role on the team but Jordan himself hasn't won any championships.
     
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    Jordan was taller than Kobe, big enough to play SF. And it was 15 years earlier, so forwards were an inch shorter.

    But the big difference was coaching. Jordan got the best fundamentals coach in Dean Smith. Then a former #1 pick guard his own height, Doug Collins, perfect for him. Then Jackson.

    All Kobe ever got was Jackson. It's odd that Jackson says Kobe was worse when the reason was Jackson himself.
     
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