It seems that most magic fans are dissapointed that Tracy McGrady is leaving the team. However, I am not one of them. Ok, so the guy was the scoring champion the past two seasons. So what? Put any superstar on a team and tell him to shoot the ball 30 times a game and they'll be scoring champions as well. Tracy is lazy, doesn't play defense, doesn't work hard, doesn't practice, and he sure as hell can't make the players around him better. When McGrady came to our team, he announced that his dream was to be "The Man" on a team. He got what he wished for, but it now seams he doesn't want that position and wants to play with another star. So now McGrady is headed to Houston (it seems). Don't be too surpised to hear whines from this guy because he actually has to share the ball with other players on the team. Actually, I would wage that Tracy will start crying because it's now Yao's team and not his. Whatever... Lazy, undecisive, selfish ballhog. Good luck, Houston.
I agree with you. Even though I'm not much of a Magic fan, but I seriously oppose the trade from the Rockets' point of view. Tracy brings the ego and the selfishness that could very well destroy the delicate balance of chemistry we have right now. I don't feel that he is the right star for our team. It was a good riddance by Orlando and a bad addition for Houston.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with you. Even though I'm not much of a Magic fan, but I seriously oppose the trade from the Rockets' point of view. Tracy brings the ego and the selfishness that could very well destroy the delicate balance of chemistry we have right now. I don't feel that he is the right star for our team. It was a good riddance by Orlando and a bad addition for Houston.</div> Yep, I agree completely. I may be eating my words at the end of the season, but I don't see how he can help any team unless he changes. The Rockets are giving up Francis(who I hope we trade for R.Allen because we already have a PG) and a decent bunch of players for him only to gain 25-30ppg. The point that everyone is missing I think is that because of those numbers, Yao's and everyones elses will go down. I could be wrong, but I can't wait to see :mrgreen:
Anton you can't really use that logic, If you put a superstar on a team with no real talent It's hard to get wins. People forget that before this year Mcgrady took his team to the playoffs 3 times and had a record of just above 500, playing without Grant Hill who could of been a key player in their offense. Mcgrady is a superstar which is why you need good players around him, the Magic just never did that. I agree he plays lazy at times and his defense certainly needs work or a coach that will actually get him to play it. Not many superstars can actually make their team-mates better. It's mainly bigmen who do that, the only guard who can make guys around him better is Jason Kidd. Mcgrady wanted to be the man which is why he left Toronto, he had 4 seasons in Orlando being just that but when you make the playoffs and lose in round one in 3 of those years then follow that up with a 21 win season you would want to leave as well. The Magic had two choices last season.. 1-Get Mcgrady some talent around him 2- Lose him They failed to get enough players around him for that team to be successful. Mcgrady is a great talent and deserves to be in a winning situation. The trade is very good for both teams, Orlando get 3 very good players back and have the chance to rebuild with Dwight Howard as the future superstar. Houston will go from a team contending to make the playoffs to title contenders. This move gives them a chance to compete for the title If they add the right guys through free-agency. I see no reason why T-mac won't play defense under the coaching of Jeff Van Gundy and playing with a big man with the skills of Yao Ming will help his game even more. People don't realise how much easier the game is when you have a force in the low post. Mcgrady is tired of losing so you can bet he will do whatever JVG asks of him.
Do you guys think that Van Gundy likes this deal? I can't imagine that he does. The two positions we needed to improve over the offseason were PG and PF. Those were glaring weaknesses for the Rockets last year. The McGrady trade really doesn't solve that. We'll have two soft PFs, and an unproven PG. I do disagree with some of you guys about Yao being hurt by this. I think he'll benefit, since Tracy does draw lots of players towards him which would leave Yao open. But overall, its unclear whether this would improve or hurt the team.
The Rockets are giving up Francis(who I hope we trade for R.Allen because we already have a PG) whos the pg, nelson? he has a ways to go before he'll start. why would you trade for allen, one ballhog for another, tmac to allen, and allen is worse than tmac? whats the deal...francis will do well running to fastbreak offense for the magic
McGrady deserves to be in a winnign situation, but Francis doesn't? That's what annoys me about this trade, McGrady is calling all the shots. Doesn't matter tho, we'll welcome Francis with open arms if thats who we get. Speaking of that one year when McGrady took the Magic to the playoffs, they were up 3-1. McGrady guaranteed a victory, and when that failed he started blaming his teamates for the loss. Show you anything?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Speaking of that one year when McGrady took the Magic to the playoffs, they were up 3-1. McGrady guaranteed a victory, and when that failed he started blaming his teamates for the loss. Show you anything?</div> Call him cocky or selfish and all that, but McGrady had no one to support him. Thats why he was elated to the fact that Hill might've returned last season. I assume it was frustration that led him to demanding a trade. He wants a team that will support what he does, the good and the bad. And he also wants a team that can score without him, that have someone else that can take over when he's not playing well or not playing at all. In Orlando, McGrady was the first and only consistent scoring option. You can say Lue, Gooden, and Howard chipped in, but without McGrady, they would not have done as good as they were doing before this season. In Houston, its wont be about scoring options, because the load isnt dumped on McGrady.<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">McGrady deserves to be in a winnign situation, but Francis doesn't?</div> I dont think he meant that. Francis had his chance to prove himself, and IMO he really did. But the Rockets organization doesnt see it that way. I dont think JVG will like this trade, but he will accept it. I still think Steve shoulda had 1 more year to prove himself to us. From a Magic stand point, this is just another trade. You have 2 great players who just need a little more time in Mobley and Francis, and you drafted 2 budding stars. Put that around a few role players, you got yourself a great team. I think if you got Howard and McGrady stayed, it would stunn Dwights growth. We cant criticize or praise yet, we gotta wait for next season.
do you guys remember T-Mac's last season in Toronto? He averaged almost 2 blocks a game, playing limited minutes. The guy can play D - but if it's on you to score on almost every possession for your team, you don't quite have as much energy to play tough D every time down the floor. If you were to ask me, I'm leaning towards being FOR this trade rather than AGAINST. Bring in a PG who can handle the ball, feed the scorers, hit the open jumper, play D and turn the ball over fewer than 3 times a game (like Damon Jones). Bring in someone like Jerome Williams who will rebound, defend and do the dirty work. That's when the Rockets will be ready to take on the big boys in the West. I'm sure JVG saw the team play last season, and knew that the team wasn't championship material. Steve and Cuttino are good, but for all their good plays, there are the turnovers and forced shots that cost the Rockets so many key games. Think of all the times the Rockets were in games, then couldn't score for 6-8 minutes and get behind by 10-15 points. McGrady should change that. And with the growing frustration with Francis in Houston, this may be the way for the owner to ultimately build excitement in the community and get more fans in the seats.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting johnny33:</div><div class="quote_post"> this may be the way for the owner to ultimately build excitement in the community and get more fans in the seats.</div> Yep, I think the biggest factor that caused the Rockets to pull the trigger on this is marketing. I just can't immagine how many Houston T-Mac jerseys are going to sell, as well as how many commericals Yao and Tracy are going to make together. From an economic standpoint, this trade is good, but basketball wise, we'll have to wait and see.
it may take full season for the results to start to show or for the verdict to come in. but at least the fans will be more patient than if they kept the old team together for another year.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting johnny33:</div><div class="quote_post">do you guys remember T-Mac's last season in Toronto? He averaged almost 2 blocks a game, playing limited minutes. The guy can play D - but if it's on you to score on almost every possession for your team, you don't quite have as much energy to play tough D every time down the floor.</div> I do. He did that in 29 minutes of play. Anyways this is the first time I visited the Houston Rockets forum since the trade and it looks like Houston fans are skeptical of this. But I feel it will work out for both teams. Oh and I remember when Mcgrady just came to the Magic and I always herd if they would've took T-Mac over Vince. And they said yes because T-Mac plays D. Whatever happened to that? Well he does have to expend alot of energy on both ends. But look at AI, he still plays great D and he hoist up the most shots every year just about. I feel like T-Mac will contribute more on the defensive end since Yao can take the pressure off of T-Mac to score every night. He should at least be back to his Toronto days of D and his first year with Orland. He probaly get about 1.6 spg and 1.5 bpg. Pretty solid D, I think Houston will do pretty well this upcoming season.
I agree with Allnet for the most part. Last year, Tmac had to do it all. He was surrounded with players incapable of contributing at a daily basis which eventually affected his game. I am certain that Tmac will take the rockets to the championship in the near future.
I almost guarantee that Van Gundy will motivate T-mac to be a great defender. The real leader of the team has to be Yao. So I'm looking for that team captain's "C" next to his name on the roster sheet.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with you. Even though I'm not much of a Magic fan, but I seriously oppose the trade from the Rockets' point of view. Tracy brings the ego and the selfishness that could very well destroy the delicate balance of chemistry we have right now. I don't feel that he is the right star for our team. It was a good riddance by Orlando and a bad addition for Houston.</div> If you sincerely believe that, then why is this: your signature? I mean, that's pretty contradictory, don't you think?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">If you sincerely believe that, then why is this: your signature? I mean, that's pretty contradictory, don't you think?</div> I did not make this signature. A friend of mine made it and asked me to use it. I do not have to like the guy to use a signature of him, do I?
Well, it says Tracy McGrady is "Yao's Best Friend," shows Tracy as a Rocket, and it accompanies every post you make on this board. You just went on about how the trade shouldn't have gone down, and seeing that your signature reflects that trade in a positive light, and everything you say reflects it in a negative light, I just thought I'd point out the irony. Steve Francis, your favourite player, was just traded for someone you don't want on your team, and you hate it, but celebrate it in your signature. See the irony? Personally, I would not put something I disagree with at the end of every post I make, but then again, I'm not a retard.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ezra:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, it says Tracy McGrady is "Yao's Best Friend," shows Tracy as a Rocket, and it accompanies every post you make on this board. You just went on about how the trade shouldn't have gone down, and seeing that your signature reflects that trade in a positive light, and everything you say reflects it in a negative light, I just thought I'd point out the irony. Steve Francis, your favourite player, was just traded for someone you don't want on your team, and you hate it, but celebrate it in your signature. See the irony? Personally, I would not put something I disagree with at the end of every post I make, but then again, I'm not a retard.</div> What's with you man? If you haven't seen before, my signature was a Steve Francis one, one that I specially made after he was traded, saying that he was a Rocket for life. Meanwhile, my avatar still conveys that message. Besides, my current signature rings true. Like it or not, Tracy McGrady will be Yao's new teammate, and I have to admit to that someday. My friend made this sig and asked me to use it, if you made the sig, would you like it if I say that I don't want to use it? Wouldn't that be a kick in your ass? But then again, you've never had a friend make you a signature, you don't even have one.
