Palin Pick Puts Politics Ahead of Country.

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  1. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    Wait a minute, if having foreign affairs experience, saying no to pork barrel spending, and having an actual record is qualifications for running for Vice President, then why the hell is Barack Obama running for President?
     
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    Dude, it is the hypocrisy exhibited in your avy that makes no sense. Your position would be just fine if your slogan wasn't essentially "Country first", and Experience > You, from the very first day.

     
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    You will recall that McCain gave the same prime criterion for choosing a running mate that every presidential candidate gives: someone who is ready to step in as president if, heaven forbid, the need arises. Barack Obama echoed those words before picking Joe Biden, who is about as prepared as a vice presidential candidate could ever be.

    LOL Is Barack Obama really ready to be President on day one?

    Of course Joe Biden looks as prepared as a VP pick could be, because compared to Barack Obama, he's incredibly qualified.

    The hypocrisy as exhibited by Eugene Robinson, who it doesn't take much common sense to know he's an Obama supporter, is blatant and idiotic. Attack McCain's VP pick because she is unqualified, while pushing easily the most uniquely unqualified major Presidential candidate in the last 30-40 years.

    Unless McCain dies in the next four years, she won't be making the decisions, he will.
     
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    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    Are you saying you're a Democrat then?

    Real, I can probably find a bunch of your own posts smooching up to "experience" as well.
     
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    I'm not saying she's the most qualified VP candidate. Of course she's not.

    Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Charlie Crist, Condoleeza Rice, Tom Ridge, Joe Lieberman, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, and Colin Powell are all more qualified than Sarah Palin. I'm sure you could find at least 10 candidates more qualified than Sarah Palin.

    She was picked because she was a woman, charismatic, had some resemblance of executive experience, and most importantly, because she could re-energize the conservative base, which she has.

    My point is, don't sit there, take pot shots at her, saying she's unqualified to step in and be President if McCain goes, and then back Barack Obama for President. It's simply hypocritical.
     
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    Well I agree, let me try to explain my view then:

    McCain doesn't hold this dynamic view of experience or good judgment being qualifications, Obama does. This is why it isn't hypocrisy on ER's part. What a rash decision, and I can show you how it was made quite hastily if you want.
     
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    Obama holds this "dynamic view" because he's unqualified to be President and he needed Joe Biden on that ticket to bring experience and qualifications. In other words, he believes in it because he has to.

    This was not a rash decision, because the McCain campaign knew what they were doing. They weighed the pluses, drawing independents and women, reinvigorating the conservative base. And they weighed the minuses, the fact she's about to become a grandmother, and made the decision. The fact that he met her once before does not convince me otherwise.
     
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    So what does that make McCain? He's at best no better than O, and Palin's small resume is troubling (purely on how she's handled her state/town for a Republican VP, I'm not including conjecture).

    Personally, I truly believe in that good judgment over experience flourish, you haven't though. So why the avy? If you think she's "cute" then ok whatever, but otherwise it doesn't make sense for me. I would assume McCain would be your boy politically, not Palin.

    Devoid of detail.... Let me give you a hand with that. :pimp:
    Source: New York Times

    It has to be one of the most silly processes I've witnessed.
     
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    How is McCain no better than O at best?

    Obama has been in the senate for how many years? McCain how many?

    I believe good judgment and experience flourish, which is precisely why McCain is my boy politically.



    The other team called an audible, and McCain's camp adjusted accordingly.

    Doesn't mean they didn't think this through hard enough.
     
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    Yeah McCain is a Dinosaur. It's still the phoniest move this cycle.


    Did you not understand my question? You didn't answer it. :]


    What he did was reckless too.

     
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    I fail to see how what McCain did was reckless. He picked a high impact VP that is going to help him pander to the sheep he needs to win the election. At the end of the day, there are a lot of sheep that only want to vote for a pro-keeping women from controlling their bodies, pro-dumbing down science classes and pro-preventing people with different sexual tastes from living a full life person.

    No matter who he selected, that choice would get slaughtered in the mainstream media (except for Fox News).
     
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    I wasn't talking from the sheep perspective.
     
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    But sheep is the only reason for the choice.

    It is a lot like complaining that a triangle doesn't have 360 degrees like a circle does.
     
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    Well I would like to just assume that my rivals are phony, but it is nice to have the evidence to support it.
     
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    Wait, we are talking about politics. Everyone is phony and does self-serving things. "Evidence" is simply a matter of finding things to deflect the public from looking at themselves.

    :politician: <- check out the code for that smilie

    All people running for major political offices are like the wizard of Oz. They are a "man" hiding behind a curtain.
     
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    Haha, nice smilie code.

    Well this is very true, I just want to try and understand the magnitude of the deception and on what issues.
     
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    Again, why must you insist on continually relating things to the Democrats? Do you so lack the ability to be objective that you can't rely solely on the "we're no worse than them" retort?

    for what it is worth, though, as I explained earlier, Obama was selected by millions of voters who weighed his inexperience against his other qualities, and those of the other primary candidates. The voters believed that he had other strengths that outweighed any potential weaknesses. They may turn out to be wrong, but it was a conscous choice. Who chose Sarah Palin? On what basis? Who does she represent? What do people really know about her other than her socially conservative views?
     
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    Precisely. The goals of the republican party are different from those of the voters. Their goal is to get elected, even if they have to pander, mislead, or lie (same with the democrats, of course). They don't care about whether someone is qualified to take over in a crisis; the V.P. will just be controlled by the senior party decision makers and only has to look serious when giving a speech. remember W insisting that he wouldn't conduct any "nation building" and that was what differentiated him from Gore? How did that turn out?

    Palin will help him get elected. On that basis, it was a fine choice. As an american, though, objectively, I am completely disgusted.
     
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    From what I saw, Obama was selected by a bunch of superdelegates who had the voting power of tens of thousands of individuals' votes, while the votes of millions of people in Michigan and Florida weren't counted. To boot, we saw and (really) heard about how Democratic voters came out in 3:1 and 4:1 kinds of ratios during the primaries, yet Obama isn't leading in national polls by a margin that is indicitive of that kind of turnout. That's with the pollsters multiplying the Obama poll votes by a factor of something like 5:3.

    And then the people who support Obama seem to want to believe the worst about the woman, especially the disproven rumor that her last child was actually her daughter's. That's downright shameful.

    The whole argument against her presented here is like Six Degrees of Separation. Oh my goodness, she's a heartbeat (1 degree) away from being president. If you're going to play that game, Obama is ZERO heartbeats away if elected. The argument flies in the face of logic.

    Especially if you understand the basic truth - that the party chooses its candidate, not the people. This is true of both parties.

    If you want to vote against McCain and Palin because of her stands on various positions, then go for it. That's a Reasoned choice.
     

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