Perfect example

of how much attention teams pay to AI, which makes his numbers even more impressive than they are.

 

Exactly.

Before Webber got the tip, every Knick didn`t want to take the chance, and they just draped themselves all over him.

 

Yup, that's indeed a perfect example, but yet you could show this to everyone and there will be a couple people that will argue to the end that he is not just overrated, but the MOST overrated player in the league. I just don't get it.

 

Great find. I've always respected Iversons talents and what he has to go up against night in and night out.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">Yup, that's indeed a perfect example, but yet you could show this to everyone and there will be a couple people that will argue to the end that he is not just overrated, but the MOST overrated player in the league. I just don't get it.</div>
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Great find. I've always respected Iversons talents and what he has to go up against night in and night out.</div>Same here, it's unbelievable the kind of numbers he's able to put up given his size and stature and this kind of attention. Simply amazing.

 

The fact that Allen Iverson is still holding the ball in this shot is reason enough for me to vastly dislike his playing style.*

And the fact that you can use one still to portray your reasons for respecting him seems a little circumscribed, and perhaps a mite flawed.


<font size="1"> *-This statement is sarcasm, it is being used to illustrate a point. In truth, I vastly dislike his game for many reasons, none of them well summed up by one photograph of one split instant of a basketball game.</font>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">
The fact that Allen Iverson is still holding the ball in this shot is reason enough for me to vastly dislike his playing style.*

And the fact that you can use one still to portray your reasons for respecting him seems a little circumscribed, and perhaps a mite flawed.


<font size="1"> *-This statement is sarcasm, it is being used to illustrate a point. In truth, I vastly dislike his game for many reasons, none of them well summed up by one photograph of one split instant of a basketball game.</font></div>
ur entitled to your opinion, but your assumption is what is circumscribed and a mite flawed. I was using this picture to show how much attention teams pay to him, not to portray my reasons for respecting him. I know thats hard for you to comprehend o'holy one, but it's reality, you should join it sometime.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">ur entitled to your opinion, but your assumption is what is circumscribed and a mite flawed. I was using this picture to show how much attention teams pay to him, not to portray my reasons for respecting him. I know thats hard for you to comprehend o'holy one, but it's reality, you should join it sometime.</div>

Easy there buddy, that wasn't a personal affront. I have to admit, I worded that poorly. Very obviously, it was illustrative, not symbolic, and I should have taken it as such. That in mind, I have no intention of starting a flame war, and please use your fine brain to make your points, rather than your less-that-scathing wit, it doesn't suit you.

And yes, the picture is a perfect example of the attention teams pay to him, but I once again stand by the idea that the ball should not be in his hands at that instant. The fact that he's looking to take a foul, and not looking for a teammate is what makes me wonder.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">Easy there buddy, that wasn't a personal affront. I have to admit, I worded that poorly. Very obviously, it was illustrative, not symbolic, and I should have taken it as such. That in mind, I have no intention of starting a flame war, and please use your fine brain to make your points, rather than your less-that-scathing wit, it doesn't suit you.

And yes, the picture is a perfect example of the attention teams pay to him, but I once again stand by the idea that the ball should not be in his hands at that instant. The fact that he's looking to take a foul, and not looking for a teammate is what makes me wonder.</div>do YOU <u>know</u> how that play played out? Or are you assuming again?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">do YOU <u>know</u> how that play played out? Or are you assuming again?</div>

Since your example was illustrative, I was merely basing my assumption (yes, assumption), on what I saw. No, I do not know how it played out, and for the purposes of this particular forum, I can only base my assumptions (there it is again) on what I saw in the picture. That said, I assume (yes, assume) you're going to tell me he dished it off, which is a good thing, and more power to him for doing so.

 

No to take away from AI or anything he's ever accomplished, but you could take similar pictures of guys like Kobe, McGrady, or Pierce every game. Being a Celtics fan, I see 4-5 guys focused on Pierce at least 3 plays per game, especially when he drives the lane. The thing that makes these guys superstars is the fact that they can get themselves out of these situations. I'm sure AI either passed it off or got fouled after the picture was taken, when most players would have turned it over.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Squishface:</div><div class="quote_post">Since your example was illustrative, I was merely basing my assumption (yes, assumption), on what I saw. No, I do not know how it played out, and for the purposes of this particular forum, I can only base my assumptions (there it is again) on what I saw in the picture. That said, I assume (yes, assume) you're going to tell me he dished it off, which is a good thing, and more power to him for doing so.</div>Just clarifying your ignorance for assuming what happened after that picture was taken and trying to understand how you could come to your conlcusion "the ball should not be in his hands at that instant. The fact that he's looking to take a foul, and not looking for a teammate is what makes me wonder" when you don't even know what happened after the pic was taken. Yes, he does have the ball in his hands, but if he penetrated, drew the defense and found an open teammate, he should be lauded not condemned. But you seem to have a predisposition for hating Allen Iverson and making assumptions so it's all very clear why you can't grasp such a concept.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">No to take away from AI or anything he's ever accomplished, but you could take similar pictures of guys like Kobe, McGrady, or Pierce every game. Being a Celtics fan, I see 4-5 guys focused on Pierce at least 3 plays per game, especially when he drives the lane. The thing that makes these guys superstars is the fact that they can get themselves out of these situations. I'm sure AI either passed it off or got fouled after the picture was taken, when most players would have turned it over.</div>You're right, but not only do AI's numbers far outshine theirs, he's 6ft, 165lbs soaking wet with a pocket full of marbles and all his bling bling on. The guys you mentioned are all at least 6'6" and 210lbs.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But you seem to have a predisposition for hating Allen Iverson and making assumptions so it's all very clear why you can't grasp such a concept.</div>
Chill out man, he's simply stating what he sees in the picture. Take it for what it is, an assumption. Anyways, Iverson had a great game even though he was hounded by Larry Brown's defense but sadly, that didn't matter in the end.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Chill out man, he's simply stating what he sees in the picture. Take it for what it is, an assumption. Anyways, Iverson had a great game even though he was hounded by Larry Brown's defense but sadly, that didn't matter in the end.</div>He made a statement, I responded, that's how message boards work

STFU is not bad language, your interpretation of what those letters mean may be foul, but that's on you.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">You're right, but not only do AI's numbers far outshine theirs, he's 6ft, 165lbs soaking wet with a pocket full of marbles and all his bling bling on. The guys you mentioned are all at least 6'6" and 210lbs.</div>I understand that height and weight factor into a lot of game situations, but I don't understand how it has any correlation with what we are talking about.

Iverson is quicker and more elusive than guys that are 6'6" and 210, and that actually gives him an advantage in these types of situations.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I understand that height and weight factor into a lot of game situations, but I don't understand how it has any correlation with what we are talking about.

Iverson is quicker and more elusive than guys that are 6'6" and 210, and that actually gives him an advantage in these types of situations.</div>
How is it not relevant?

Yes, AI is alot quicker and alot more elusive than 99% of the players in the league, but when you consider that easily half of his shots are taken in the paint where 90% of the guys who play down there are easily 8" or more taller than him and outweigh him by 100lbs or better, then you not only have more respect for the things he accomplishes on the court. Then, factor in the abuse he gets nightly and the fact that not only does it not deter him but he still goes right back at them and puts up the numbers he does, and you realize that in Allen Iverson we have one of, if not the best little men of all time.

 

I'm banging my head against a wall here.

All I was saying was that my assumptions were drawn on the image you provided me with.

You yourself stated that we could only deal with image here, it was not a symbol of any other point being made, so I ran with what you gave me.

I told you my interpretation of what I saw, and I got derided. As for actually insulting me over this nonsense, boy, you need to chill. This isn't a war. No I don't like Allen Iverson, however, I do not condemn everything he does. I do not think that he is the worst thing that happened to the game. I don't disrespect him for all the racist conspiracy theories you keep spewing. I simply think his game rubs me the wrong way. That being said, I actually like the fact that he tends to spit in the face of the league's authoritarian ruling class. He makes them think twice, and that makes me proud to be watching this era of basketball, because the NBA Commissioner, for as long as the post has existed, has been a fella that nobody wants to tangle with. Anti-trust violations, shady negotiating with the Player's Union, all kinds of labor infringements, these are the kind of things I hate about the NBA, and this group that seems to think it's so untouchable is actually scared of this guy, I love it!

That said, there is no personal affront here. This is not an issue anyone else seems to have.

But that's above and beyond my point. You provided me with a picture, I told you what I thought of it, get over it. If you have a conflicting opinion, great, let me know what it is (that's hypothetical, I really don't want to hear your conflicting opinion on this subject anymore, I know what it is, and I've tried desperately to explain, to no avail), and let's discuss it. This childish nonsense is so far beyond what you claim boards are about, and I don't want you watering down the intelligent discourse on this site.

And as for your claim that he is the best little man of all time, rubbish. Bob Cousy rings a bell (at least he won something), John Stockton comes to mind (equally winless, but a hall of famer nonetheless), Calvin Murphy is in the running, even Isiah Thomas is in front of AI. That's to say nothing of Lenny Wilkens, Tiny Archibald, Earl the Pearl, KC Jones, and Jerry West. And spare me the diatribe about how much greater and different he is than all those players, because while you may be able to dispute some (I'll happily put up an argument), there are some in that list that AI just doesn't even touch, and you're doing the game a straight-up disservice to not acknowledge that.

Please refrain from your coarse nonsense and talk some actual basketball with me, once again, your fine brain makes you sound an awful lot more convincing than your less-than-scathing wit.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AIFan:</div><div class="quote_post">How is it not relevant?

Yes, AI is alot quicker and alot more elusive than 99% of the players in the league, but when you consider that easily half of his shots are taken in the paint where 90% of the guys who play down there are easily 8" or more taller than him and outweigh him by 100lbs or better, then you not only have more respect for the things he accomplishes on the court. Then, factor in the abuse he gets nightly and the fact that not only does it not deter him but he still goes right back at them and puts up the numbers he does, and you realize that in Allen Iverson we have one of, if not the best little men of all time.</div>K, but that isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about players being trapped by multiple defenders. I don't care if a player is 5'4" or 6'10", if you're being guarded by 4 defenders, you're not getting a decent shot up. Your best bet is eluding the defenders, or gaining enough room to draw a foul. In that regard, Iverson is the most likely candidate to make the best out of the situation since he's quicker than all of his defenders. That's all.

If you'd like me to give credit to AI, then I will. He is pound-for-pound the best player in the game, and overall top 5. I respect him, his game, and I wish he was on the Celtics. I am not trying to criticize him at all by disagreeing with you. I just think that this specific situation happens to be one of the rare ones in which Iverson has an advantage over all other players.