Steve Francis is definitely not getting us deep into the playoffs as a PG. When the Rockets finally realized that he needs to move from the PG spot, who do you think we should try to get? I'm thinking of someone like Jamal Tinsley. If you watched the Indiana vs Miami game 1 earlier, I wished so much that Tinsley is in our team. He brings the ball up good, dumps the ball into his big man (J.O, one of my fav players), if JO isn't open, he doesn't try to do anything stupid by dribbling around but instead passes the ball off right away, when JO got double teamed he shoots (and knocks down) the open 3s instead of having second thoughts and then dribble around (like Francis). However, Jamal's old, so we would have to go for someone that plays similar to him. I'm thinking Carlos Arroyo for now. He's a decent shooting traditional PG. By the way, on another note, I'm really really jealous of the Pacers. They have so many athletic, talented players that KNOWS their role so well it's beautiful. I love watching Jeff Foster hustle and passing off open shots (because he knows he shouldn't be taking them and someone else should shoot) to other open teammates. Al Harrington is a monster. Tinsley is a solid solid PG.. sigh... one day...
Jamaal Tinsley old????? The guy is 26 years old and is going to his 4th NBA season. IF the rockets could get there hands on tinsley who would they give up???? I heard they want to keep Francis and make him their 2 gaurd instead of Cuttino Mobley. Carlos Arroyo is a decent point gaurd but isnt too consistent, that would be an alright move for the rockets but Tinsley would be better. Troy Bell a unproven guy that can pass and has a 42" vertical, plays for the grizzlies and could be project player but he was a rookie this year and didnt get much playing time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">By the way, on another note, I'm really really jealous of the Pacers. They have so many athletic, talented players that KNOWS their role so well it's beautiful. I love watching Jeff Foster hustle and passing off open shots (because he knows he shouldn't be taking them and someone else should shoot) to other open teammates. Al Harrington is a monster. Tinsley is a solid solid PG.. sigh... one day...</div>I like your posts. Keep up the good work That is why the Pacers have the best record in the NBA. All of the players from Reggie Miller to Fred Jones knows what role they have to play to win games. What I love about them is their discipline, consistency and most of all....their defence. Foster, Artest and O'neal present a very formidable lineup defensively. Foster hustles and gets good position, Artest is THE best defender in the NBA and O'neal is emerging as a potential first team all defense. Jamaal played a good game for Indiana last night but he won't produce like that again in this series. But I do agree that he is a smart point guard, he just has to work on his defence a little more. About the Rockets: They have a solid team but unless they find a true point to go along with a converted SG in Francis, they ain't goin nowhere. IMO they have to Mobely. Cuttino Mobely is just not going to get them past one round. Bad shot selection, inconsistent shooting and poor defence = trade his ass.
Arroyo, definitely. He seems to have the best chance to be got, plus he really is a PG. Is Telfair a first rounder? If not I suggest him, at least he knows he can't shoot. He'll be like TJ Ford. Mayhaps you can work with him, that way he'd be more useful to you. If it were possible, I'd try and nab Hinrich, maybe trading Francis and a few others with him would tempt the low caliber Bulls to give him up. It'd be a stupid move on their part, but hey they pretty much lack in every department.
Hohoho, my bad, didn't know Tinsley is actually that young... he looks OLD with all that facial hair! Anyways, yes Arroyo is a good candidate, Hinrich would be too, maybe Eric Snow and Earl Watson.. Snow is a strong defender and I think he would fit right in Houston.. except I don't know how the Rockets would go around doing that.. O well, they better pull something this summer.
Carlos Arroyo actually sounds like a good idea, altho I like Raul Lopez a lot better...Tinsley is erratic as a shooter and has career averages of a bricksman...However, I would still like to see Francis as a PG, because he is too undersized and too deficient defensively to stick with the 2-guard position...
I think the Rockets should either trade Francis or keep him as a PG. Him at SG will still command a lot of shots, maybe not for the better. Tinsley might be a good idea as Mobley can be a perfect trade bait for the Pacers. He can take over the ailing Reggie Miller and Indiana might be content putting Fred Jones as their PG in the future. Also, I think we could get more than just Tinsley if we offer Mobley, maybe a seconder-rounder or so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Cuttino Mobely is just not going to get them past one round. Bad shot selection, inconsistent shooting and poor defence = trade his ass.</div> Actually Cuttino's defense is above average. But as a guard, he should do something about his shooting which really is inconsistent. IMHO, they should get a boring yet effective PG. You know, the not so flashy ones. Someone in the likes of play of Eric Snow. I'm not saying you should trade for him but get someone who plays like him.
Yeah, I like Raul Lopez also. He's more of a John Stockton style of a PG while Arroyo is more of a Tony Parker PG (of course not up to their levels... just their style). Cuttino's defense has only been above average this year only. Before, he sucked at D until JVG got on his ass and turned him into a pretty good defender.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HoustonHoopa33:</div><div class="quote_post">Carlos Arroyo actually sounds like a good idea, altho I like Raul Lopez a lot better...Tinsley is erratic as a shooter and has career averages of a bricksman...However, I would still like to see Francis as a PG, because he is too undersized and too deficient defensively to stick with the 2-guard position...</div> Had Career averages of a bricksman, he worked like mad the last two summers, and now can hit from the outside and his shot is becoming more consistent. He doesn't look to score much though, and most of his attempts are three's, kinda like Rafer. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Actually Cuttino's defense is above average. But as a guard, he should do something about his shooting which really is inconsistent. IMHO, they should get a boring yet effective PG. You know, the not so flashy ones. Someone in the likes of play of Eric Snow. I'm not saying you should trade for him but get someone who plays like him.</div> Yea since Snow is kinda old, and also doesn't have a shot so the post up and kick out from Yao won't work with Snow. Raul Lopez might be a good idea but he's likely not getting traded. Arroyo is an FA, but I don't think he's the right choice. The best option would've been if Reece Gaines (6'6) had shown some skill, you trade for him, he plays PG and Francis moves to the 2 guard. Since that isn't happening I thin the best option would be Brent Barry or Jeff McInnis, but they aren't too young. Troy Bell is also a good idea, or maybe Earl Watson but he has no outside shot. Steve Nash is also on the market, but that's not too feasible.
the rockets shouldn't trade francis, they should just move him to sg where he belongs. They need his scoring...without him who do they have to score points? Mobley (15.8ppg) and Yao (17.5ppg) won't be able to do it by themseves. Granted they will get more touches and shots with Francis gone but it won't be enough if Francis goes, they definately can't have a pg like Tinsley or Arroyo. Their shots are just not consistent enough to be a real threat and the rockets will need scoring to vill the void left by Francis.
IF the Rockets want young promising point gaurd who have played only a few season i would have to say go with Carlos Arroyo, Troy Bell, or Mo Williams(Jazz). Carlos Arroyo has proven himself this year and is a decent point gaurd, just his consistency need's a little work. Troy Bell has a 42" vertical and has a pass first mentality which the Rockets are in search for. Mo Williams has very good all around game averaged 5ppg 1.3apg 1.3rpg and was a second rounder in the 2003 draft. If they want a hard nosed defensive player Earl Watson should be there top priority he can defend and he can score it's just his outside shooting that need's work.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting _EcLiPsE_:</div><div class="quote_post">the rockets shouldn't trade francis, they should just move him to sg where he belongs. They need his scoring...without him who do they have to score points? Mobley (15.8ppg) and Yao (17.5ppg) won't be able to do it by themseves. Granted they will get more touches and shots with Francis gone but it won't be enough if Francis goes, they definately can't have a pg like Tinsley or Arroyo. Their shots are just not consistent enough to be a real threat and the rockets will need scoring to vill the void left by Francis.</div> If Francis is gone, everyone else on the team would get more points, thus making up for the lack of scoring. If Yao really becomes the main guy on offense, expect averages of 22/11/3 next season.
but a 5 point increase with Yao is not going to make up for the 17-20 you're missing from Francis other than Yao and Mobley, there's not many players that are capable of increasing their production enough to make up for the loss
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting _EcLiPsE_:</div><div class="quote_post">other than Yao and Mobley, there's not many players that are capable of increasing their production enough to make up for the loss</div> You don't get our roster much, so I won't hold you to this. Mo Taylor can get maybe an one point increase, Jim Jackson will get more shots, and most importantly the player for whom we traded Francis. They can all get points.
If the Rockets want to get another point guard they are going to get a point that is a past first pg.I think someone like Andre Miller or Jeff Mcginnis.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">You don't get our roster much, so I won't hold you to this. Mo Taylor can get maybe an one point increase, Jim Jackson will get more shots, and most importantly the player for whom we traded Francis. They can all get points.</div> alright that's fair, i admit they're not my area of expertise so i'll trust your opinion since you seem like you know them well just like i know my raptors
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting _EcLiPsE_:</div><div class="quote_post">alright that's fair, i admit they're not my area of expertise so i'll trust your opinion since you seem like you know them well just like i know my raptors</div> Well actually, the Raptors are also my area of expertise. It comes with watching them on Sportsnet season after season.
i wonder if you know more than me??? i've pretty much watched every game since their first one, i don't miss one very often but we're getting off topic here...
Andre Miller for Francis would be a great trade for the Rockets but it would never happen... Miller is one of their core players that will never be traded.. I guess the most realistic choice right now would be to go after Arroyo who's an FA.. who we trade out I don't know though.
