PG situation

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  1. Buckets

    Buckets JBB JustBBall Member

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    I always knew that we didnt have no real PG on this team but right now it seem's to stick out more than ever. In our win over the Boston Celtics we would start to come back everytime with Kenny Anderson and then right when we got into striking distance Woodson would put Lue right back in the game and they'd take us out of striking distance. I got nothing against Lue or Kenny but I think we could be a 6-8th seed team this year if we made a deal or somehow got a gifted PG that's better than Lue and Anderson. Anderson is old so he cant handle to many minutes or else he'd be fine, Lue has admitted himself he's not starting material, Delk is injury-prone and not liked very much by Coach Woodson while we have one last player we could turn to but he's a rookie in the form of Royal Ivey. I'm willing to give Royal the starting nod over Anderson/Lue but I dont see it happening, we need to ship someone for a better PG.

    I think we could maybe get our hands on Eric Snow because the Cavs want to ship him for some other PG since the incident he had in that one game with Coach Silas. We could sign Troy Bell who was waived by the Grizzlies a while back, or pick up some big name player like Baron Davis in a block buster deal. Your guy's thoughts? Post some realistic options for us.
     
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    Eric Snow would be a good option for the Hawks, however he is signed through 2009 and has a large contract. The Hawks would be better keeping the cap space, where they could add a Free Agent Point Guard.
    The Hawks could also play out the season, get a good pick, and draft the best PG available.
    The current PG rotation isn't really working for the Hawks, so changes should be made during the offseason. They've got the cap space and should have a good pick, so a trade isn't necessary if they're willing to wait.
     
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    i think the hawks should play out this season and draft chris paul. then we would be looking at chris paul,harrington,josh smith, childress,ivey.it would kind of be like the chicago bulls roster this year with all the rookies and sophomores. antoine walker might still be in there as well but i would rather see him traded for a few players. the future looks bright for the hawks.
     
  4. Buckets

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Originally posted by bulldawg03
    antoine walker might still be in there as well but i would rather see him traded for a few players.</div>

    Me too, nothing against 'Toine but he doesnt take it nicely if we'd put him at the second fiddle and we have tons and tons of cap this offseason so we could get a good free agent like Ray Allen, or someone else who could sell tickets and play. I wouldnt mind Antoine staying but only if he was payed a lot less and Al Harrington, Childress, and Smith were all starting. The trade deadline is coming up I say we trade 'Toine or someone else for a good PG who can bring it night in-night out. Why play out the season when we can kill two birds with one stone? We could lose 'toine from the salary cap gain a good PG and still have a lottery pick in which we could take the best talent available instead of going for the best PG available.
     
  5. King James X3

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    The Hawks trade Antoine Walker, Tony Delk, and Chris Crawford to The Hornets.

    The Hornets trade Baron Davis, Jamal Mashburn, David West, and a 1st Round Draft Pick to The Hawks.

    Here's the benefits. The Hornets, who boasts the league's worst record, get immediate cap relief. Moving Baron Davis's and Jamal Masburn's contracts would allow The Hornets to finally rebuild, perhaps gearing their roster towards a more Western Conference look, rather than a team who was built for The East. Because of Antoine's and Chris Crawford's expiring contracts, and Delk's with only one more season remaining, The Hornets would save themselves 20 million dollars a season over the next few years.

    The Hawks get their point guard, and guarantee themselves something in return for Antoine Walker, rather than allowing him to leave Atlanta as a free agent. The only catch, taking on Jamal Masburn's contract, but it's a small price to pay for the talent they would receive. Take a look...

    PG: Baron Davis
    SG: Josh Smith
    SF: Al Harrington
    PF: David West
    C: Predrag Drobnjak

    Not to mention they would still have Kenny Anderson, Jason Collier, and Josh Childress coming off of the bench. It gets better though. The Hawks would also receive The Hornet's first round draft pick, very likely to be a Top 3 Selection. The Hawks could either move the pick and try to aquire a bonafide center, or obviously attempt to draft for one. Either way it will improve their roster, a solid center is really all this modified roster lacks. Finally the team would still possess their 1st and 2nd round draft selections which could be used to improve their depth, giving them a solid 9-10 man rotation down in Atlanta.

    Comments?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Hawks trade Antoine Walker, Tony Delk, and Chris Crawford to The Hornets.

    The Hornets trade Baron Davis, Jamal Mashburn, David West, and a 1st Round Draft Pick to The Hawks.</div>

    That is crazy. I doubt that the Hornets are that dumb. They would NOT trade away their starting PG,SF and a first round draft pick for a aging PG, PF and a guy in Crawford that can't do anything.
     
  7. bulldawg03

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fire:</div><div class="quote_post">That is crazy. I doubt that the Hornets are that dumb. They would NOT trade away their starting PG,SF and a first round draft pick for a aging PG, PF and a guy in Crawford that can't do anything.</div>

    yea as much as i like that trade i dont think the hornets would ever do it but now that u brought it up trading for baron davis would be a good idea. ne other trade ideas?
     
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    I agree that the hawks need a new point, but i believe that they should just ride this year out and wait untill the off-season to get it all together.

    I dont think that the hawks could get eric snow at all because, as stated he is signed through 2009, and plus he's been playing excellent for the cavs. King James X3's trade could work out.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Fire:</div><div class="quote_post">That is crazy. I doubt that the Hornets are that dumb. They would NOT trade away their starting PG,SF and a first round draft pick for a aging PG, PF and a guy in Crawford that can't do anything.</div>i agree that the hornets would probally not involve there picks, because it is obvious that the horns are in a rebuilding process.

    But fire in order for a trade of this caliber to go down the hornets would have to feel that they have recieved something in return. And with Walker coming off the books at the end of this year i believe the hornets would get just that. Because you have to take into the consideration that mashburn has not started for the hornets all season and if the horns were to allow this trade they would get his dead weight off there books.

    But i believe in order for that trade to work out i think that the hawks would have to give up more for contracts to work out. So in the long run, with baron being prone to injury and mashburns inactiveness, i would have to say that trade is too riskay.
     
  9. King James X3

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    You don't understand, The Hornets have a team built for The Eastern Conference and they no longer play there. So obviously they need to rebuild, moving Jamal Mashburn would a dream for starters. He's been injuried for the majority of the past few seasons, he's getting towards the end of his career, and he's making ALL-STAR bank. They would also move Baron Davis's salary, and yet they'd be losing a great point guard, but they'd be moving 20 million dollars off their payroll to guide them in the rebuilding process.

    It's a similar situation to The Phoenix Sun's and their trade of Stephon Marbury for expiring contracts from The Knicks. It makes sense, sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps fowards, how are them Suns doing?

    Think about it. By the time The Dwyane Wade's, Lebron James's, Carmelo Anthony's, Yao Ming's, and Amare Stoudemire's are free agents, The Hornets are going to have plenty of cap room to aquire these types of franchise players. You can't tell me that's not slightly intriguing to a team who's won just 7 games and shows no signs of becoming a force in their division any time soon.
     
  10. P.A.P.

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    The Hawks will get another lottery pick this year. There's no rush to acquire a PG, when they're going nowhere this year anywhere. Raymond Felton, Chris Paul, John Gilchrist, Rudy Fernandez amongst others, are expected to be in this years draft. They can take a gamble on High Schooler Louis Williams as well. Hawks should be able to get one of them. They could use Harrington/Childress and possibly Diaw as bait to try to get another pick, or to acquire a PF.
     
  11. Buckets

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Originally posted by Banks
    The Hawks will get another lottery pick this year. There's no rush to acquire a PG, when they're going nowhere this year anywhere. Raymond Felton, Chris Paul, John Gilchrist, Rudy Fernandez amongst others, are expected to be in this years draft. They can take a gamble on High Schooler Louis Williams as well. Hawks should be able to get one of them. They could use Harrington/Childress and possibly Diaw as bait to try to get another pick, or to acquire a PF.
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    I really like that Louis Williams guy, he's cut out for the NBA. I'd be willing to take a risk on him if we had a good veteran pointgaurd to teach him the NBA game, like if we had a great veteran PG like The Glove he could groom Williams into a top notch NBA PG. Right now I think the safest choice for the hawks would be either Felton/Gilchris/Paul. And about having a PF, Al Harrington is a PF but he has the ability to play SF thats why he's there with 'Toine here Al is stuck at SF for a while but if 'Toine leaves this offseason that position is his for the taking. If we were going to trade someone for an additional pick it wouldnt be Harrington or Childress, It'd be a role player like Diaw, or Lue.
     

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