Player contracts in a free market?

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    The CBA makes the market fro players anything but free.

    Assume there is no CBA.

    I think LeBron would sign a guaranteed $20M deal, with incentives to get him to $50M. Incentives like minutes played - to insure he's being paid and healthy.

    Who else gets really big contracts like that?

    Rose? Wade? Westbrook?

    Durant almost certainly. Kobe, too.

    Batum might ave scored an even bigger deal.

    Seems a lot fairer to me. Small market teams would have to be owned by Paul Allen types - willing to spend and write off the loss.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Have a look at European Football ("soccer").
     
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  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Tell me more :)
     
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    Lebron would make more than that.
     
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  5. Denny Crane

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    Maybe. But it'd take someone like Allen to give him $1Billion over 10 years (if he made $100M/year, say).
     
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    There is something fundamentally wrong with a system that penalizes owners for investing in their teams.

    Even if you feel the need to regulate base salaries, teams should have much more flexibility in offering incentive clauses.

    Imagine a league where the base salary covered 41 wins - and every win past 41 meant every player on the team gets a bonus check. Do you think you would still see teams quitting on their coach or otherwise dogging it?
     
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    Then you'd end up with quality free agents staying far away from bad teams and rookies saying they'll hold out if drafted by them.
     
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    At some point when Bosh and LeBron went to Miami and everyone started freaking out about there being a few super teams and the rest of the league being a bunch of have nots someone suggested that one fix to the problem could be the elimination of the max salary. You'd have the same salary cap but your marquee players, the ones that people actually show up to see, would be making half of the money. No marquee player in their right mind would give up the ability to make that kind of money to play with other Marquee guys.
     
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  9. Denny Crane

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    Salary cap means not a free market ;)

    EDIT: in other words, in a free market, Paul Allen could pay LeBron $100M, Wade $100M, and Bosh $100M if he chose.
     
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    In European Football you have a select number of clubs who ALWAYS win, and the rest of them either hope to be bought out by Russian Oligarchs so they can compete (Manchester City) or act as farm teams for the big boys. Count how many Premiership championships Manchester United has won. Or, even worse, look at Scotland: has ANYONE besides Celtic or Rangers won in the past few decades?
     
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    There was no salary cap when a certain very small market team named the Trail Blazers won a championship, eh?

    1971 Bucks
    1972 Lakers
    1973 Lakers
    1974 Bucks
    1975 Warriors
    1976 Suns
    1977 Blazers
    1978 Sonics
    1979 Sonics

    Which of those teams always won? Which were big market teams (Lakers!)?
     
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    Yes thanks to the ABA folding. BTW I don't think Phoenix won in 197ever
     
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  13. Denny Crane

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    Wow, that WWW page had a lot of wrong results.

    1970 Knicks
    1971 Bucks
    1972 Lakers
    1973 Knicks
    1974 Celtics
    1975 Warriors
    1976 Celtics
    1977 Blazers
    1978 Bullets
    1979 Sonics

    Source NBA.com

    (no back to back winners, small market teams competed just fine - Milwaukee won before the ABA merger, for example)
     
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    Well it would only allow for the Yankee teams to win a shit ton.
     
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    Is Miami and Orlando considered big markets now?
     
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    If the Euro League was not an option for one reason or another then you would probably have more parity here like there was in the 70's when the ABA folded.
     
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    Miami is the 8th largest MSA in the country. Bigger than Boston which is 10th.

    The Yankees have HUUUUUUGE TV contracts that aren't shared among the teams. I didn't mention profit sharing, but my view is there should be a free market and profit sharing among the teams.
     
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    There was no TV money at the point, and owners could collude to keep salaries competitive. Some players even used to have real jobs in the offseason before Magic and Bird happened, and TV finally started paying attention and airing games live.
     
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