I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to The Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. What's your thoughts on it?I dont like it at all...whats the point of it?its such a waste of time..why should I pledge to anything?whenever they do it in school I stay in my seat while everyone else stands and says itmy teacher gets mad at me and im like :no3: people take it way too seriously and it's the biggest waste of time..every single day....words cant even express how much I hate itand to add to that it says "one nation under God" which I can't even begin to explainwhat if people don't want to be under God? are they not patriotic?gay
Its a tradition, and whole alot more people believe in God than people dont, it seems your just trying to be a rebel, we say the pledge of allegiance to honor the people who gave us the right to have freedom and gives us the right to live in a safe nation. Most of the US is made up of Jews, Muslims and Christians, which all three groups praise God(or Allah) for a blessing everyday. There a point, a point of respect for the millions of soldiers who have died in war and the soldiers who are in war right now serving our country. Seriously, whats 30 seconds of your time?
I'm not even an american but I despise people who dont respect thier country. If you dont like it or respect it piss off. Go live somewhere else and stop complaining.It is simply a show of respect, mostly for the lifestyle you live- a loifestyle that millions of soldiers fought and died to protect. Get some class and some respect
I got sent to the office my junior year of highschool for not standing for it. My stupid bi*ch math teacher thought you had to stand for it. I didn't and my Vice Principal just sent me back to class. I love America, I just find it moronic to stand in front of a flag and talk to it...I don't think it should be done in schools. Nobody would do it on their own, people just do it because people make them, thats why I don't like it.
I think the point he might be trying to make is how people make it required as if it's the only thing that shows your patriotism. First of all, I kind of agree with him on that - you don't need the pledge of allegiance to show that you are patriotic. You don't have to do any of that stuff - if you support your country than you can be patriotic and supportive without having to say the pledge. The fact that teachers get mad at you for not saying it is just stupid - that happened to me all the time, and I look at them like wtf - I really don't need to show my patriotism through some stupid little two line sentence. In your case, playaofthagame, you're simply being rebellious, there's nothing wrong with it, either. The God reference is also very bad. The US claims to seperate church and state, yet they feature God in so many American symbols. Money is an example, and so is the Pledge. America represents over 300 million people, and those 300 million people are not all believers in God. I may believe in God, you may believe in God, but everyone else might not. This may seem pointless to even argue about because it's just a word in a sentence, but to others it might be disrespectful to totally disregard the people who don't beleive in God - and ultimately this pledge of allegiance can be interpreted as 'if you don't believe in God, than you are not alliegiant to your country' I don't view it this way, but I garuntee you so many do. All together, I see no purpose to it, yet I don't believe it should be taken out just because it's a way for those who are represented to feel more patriotic or something. I don't care for it, however.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ReppinTheD @ Oct 21 2006, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the point he might be trying to make is how people make it required as if it's the only thing that shows your patriotism. First of all, I kind of agree with him on that - you don't need the pledge of allegiance to show that you are patriotic. You don't have to do any of that stuff - if you support your country than you can be patriotic and supportive without having to say the pledge. The fact that teachers get mad at you for not saying it is just stupid - that happened to me all the time, and I look at them like wtf - I really don't need to show my patriotism through some stupid little two line sentence. In your case, playaofthagame, you're simply being rebellious, there's nothing wrong with it, either. The God reference is also very bad. The US claims to seperate church and state, yet they feature God in so many American symbols. Money is an example, and so is the Pledge. America represents over 300 million people, and those 300 million people are not all believers in God. I may believe in God, you may believe in God, but everyone else might not. This may seem pointless to even argue about because it's just a word in a sentence, but to others it might be disrespectful to totally disregard the people who don't beleive in God - and ultimately this pledge of allegiance can be interpreted as 'if you don't believe in God, than you are not alliegiant to your country' I don't view it this way, but I garuntee you so many do. All together, I see no purpose to it, yet I don't believe it should be taken out just because it's a way for those who are represented to feel more patriotic or something. I don't care for it, however.</div> I Like what you said. And agree, but I think its not the words its the idea of it. Kinda saying thankyou to your country for the life you have.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 20 2006, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I Like what you said. And agree, but I think its not the words its the idea of it. Kinda saying thankyou to your country for the life you have.</div> But 95% of the time it's just blathering along to the music...or with the group...no meaning at all...your just going along with it.
Exactly, I don't know many people who actually say the Pledge just so they can show their allegiance to their country. Most people who do say it are just going through the motions. The true patriots, in my opinion, are those who argue in defense for their country. Patriots also will stand up for injustices, and threats to their country's freedoms. For example, many people are fighting President Bush for basically suspending Habeus Corpus. Those who defend our countries liberties are the real patriots - not those who sing some meaningless pledge. In the school setting that playaofthagame was speaking off, no one does the pledge because they want to thow their patriotism - most kids just do it because they are expected to, or they're just copying the others - I know thats why I did it when I was in grade school. Also, most kids are way too young to even have a sense of what they're saying or doing. It's basically a cheap way of getting an idea into vulnerable, and impressionable minds. By 'requiring' that the children say the pledge, they are subconciously instilling in the children that this pledge that they are reciting is how they are 'supposed' to be. That is wrong.The pledge is useless.
Well, sometimes it can get mono and seems like its just natural to say it without thinking about it. But after Sept. 11, did you say the pledge the same way? I know for a fact I didnt, and for that past 5 years I think about it and what it is really meaning. And the God thing, I dont want to offend anybody and their beliefs and this statement is probably ignorant, but if your atheist...does it matter much if you say "one nation under God"? I can understand other religious people being mad about it if we saud" under Jesus or something, but from what I understand, atheism isnt a religion and God is "god" to other religions.
Oh boo hoo, your high school makes you stand up for the pledge of allegiance. Shut the hell up. If you acted like that in the 50's you would have gotten a backhand. Kids today are such whiny babies. Grow up, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. I swear, you sit down during a saying and think you're so badass and The Man's holding you down. Nope, you're still just a worthless turd leeching off your parents.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 21 2006, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh boo hoo, your high school makes you stand up for the pledge of allegiance. Shut the hell up. If you acted like that in the 50's you would have gotten a backhand. Kids today are such whiny babies. Grow up, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. I swear, you sit down during a saying and think you're so badass and The Man's holding you down. Nope, you're still just a worthless turd leeching off your parents.</div>Im 15, and not all kids are like that, I hate it when older people judge our entire generation on a few bratty kids(not saying the other above are cause they arent), but I get very sick of it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Oct 21 2006, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im 15, and not all kids are like that, I hate it when older people judge our entire generation on a few bratty kids(not saying the other above are cause they arent), but I get very sick of it.</div>I didn't say all kids. It is hardly "a few," though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Oct 20 2006, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh boo hoo, your high school makes you stand up for the pledge of allegiance. Shut the hell up. If you acted like that in the 50's you would have gotten a backhand. Kids today are such whiny babies. Grow up, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it. I swear, you sit down during a saying and think you're so badass and The Man's holding you down. Nope, you're still just a worthless turd leeching off your parents.</div> :worthy: Oh wait...I'm a kid. But still I agree. I hate people that sit down and don't really show any form of respect at all.
I think the pledge should be manditory, people, especially kids, need to be reminded what this nation stands for. almost every country in the world, and every superpower the world has ever seen has had some sort of nationalist pride. the pledge might just be a little thing to remind us, but I still think its important.
When I sat down I didn't think I was badass. Most kids go up and say it just because they are told, most of them don't even understand half of what the pledge means nor care, they just stand up, 'blah blah blah' and sit down...I don't find that they are honoring or being repectfull at all, just blithering it without caring and waiting to sit down.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The Pledge of Allegiance was written for the popular children's magazine Youth's Companion by socialist author and Baptist minister Francis Bellamy on September 7, 1892. The owners of Youth's Companion were selling flags to schools, and approached Bellamy to write the Pledge for their advertising campaign. It was marketed as a way to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Columbus arriving in the Americas and was first published on the following day.</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Oct 21 2006, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When I sat down I didn't think I was badass. Most kids go up and say it just because they are told, most of them don't even understand half of what the pledge means nor care, they just stand up, 'blah blah blah' and sit down...I don't find that they are honoring or being repectfull at all, just blithering it without caring and waiting to sit down.</div>This is the part that boggles my mind. You are so worried about what other people do. You're willing to go into law enforcement but not to stand up for a pledge? What does it have to do with other people? If they don't understand it, so what? If you understand it, and it's meaningful to you, then yeah, I don't see the difference. A lot of people follow the law only because they have to, not because they are good people or actually agree with the law. Does that mean you go out and break the law just because it's holding people down or something?Anyway, the point was making was not towards anyone in particular, but it seems like most people in high school that sit down for the pledge have this attitude like anyone actually cares. Oh man you got sent to the prinicipal's office, what a rebel! I mean really, in the grand scheme of things, no one really cares. If you want to sit down, sit down. The one thing I can not agree with is calling your teacher a bitchass just because they think you should be standing. That's one of the reasons it seems like you're trying to act hard or whatever.
lol @ thinking im a badassI do what I believe inand I believe in sitting during the pledge because I think it isn't neccesaryI called my teacher stupid because it's like they're forcing on you that you have to participate in it and stand upthat would be like if they were telling kids about religion in class and if you don't believe in that religion them getting angry with you..I know it doesn't happen usually but thats what I would compare it to..trying to force the beliefs and customs on you..what if I really dont wanna do it? does that make me a bad person?
Well, I was someone who just stood up and said it. Then sat down and moved on with the day during school. I didn't really care and no one made a big deal about through my 12 years of high school. But I guess some people who are athiests mainly feel they don't need to state it. Whatever floats their boat to be honest. I don't think it should be a issue. Let kids sit if they don't want to say it. It's like barely a minute of our lives.
[quote name='playaofthegame' post='180576' date='Oct 21 2006, 10:07 AM']I do what I believe in[/quote]And post on the internet about it.[quote name='playaofthegame' post='180576' date='Oct 21 2006, 10:07 AM']and I believe in sitting during the pledge because I think it isn't neccesary[/quote]It isn't necessary to do a lot of things. So what?[quote name='playaofthegame' post='180576' date='Oct 21 2006, 10:07 AM']I called my teacher stupid because it's like they're forcing on you that you have to participate in it and stand up[/quote]They can't. If they don't like it they can say what they want, though.[quote name='playaofthegame' post='180576' date='Oct 21 2006, 10:07 AM']that would be like if they were telling kids about religion in class and if you don't believe in that religion them getting angry with you..I know it doesn't happen usually but thats what I would compare it to..trying to force the beliefs and customs on you..what if I really dont wanna do it? does that make me a bad person?[/quote]No, it's actually quite a bit different from religion. You are not arguing whether there is a supreme being or not, you are saying, "Hell, I don't have to pledge to America. It's a country." The fact is that your teacher is probably offended, because you don't see the meaning behind it. You're so worried about "HOLY sh*t UNDER GOD WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OMG!!!" that it doesn't register that it's to show respect for people who keep this place from being a shithole like North Korea. I guarantee you that those people would stand up for a minute a day to get the benefits we do, but you're so self-absorbed that you don't see it. I don't care if you're a bad person or not, I just think you're being a douche. So what if they say under God, just don't say it yourself. No one would notice, care, or anything else. And it's less trouble for you. And you won't have to look like a pussy emo for posting on the internet about it. "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME?!? :emo:"
