Poll: If Dame Doesn't Ask Out

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by wizenheimer, Mar 25, 2023.

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What Should Portland Do If Dame Wants to Stay?

  1. Don't trade Dame if he doesn't ask to be traded

    83.1%
  2. Trade Him Whether He Wants it or Not

    16.9%
  1. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Some could argue knowing we had no chance at winning and no chance at a difference maker in the lottery for a decade was a long stretch of massively bad seasons
     
  2. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Disagree. It's well worth a shot, IMO.
     
  3. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Disagree. You'll need good management to build from a bad team to a winning team.

    I'm not interested in doing that with Jodi. With Dame we always have a shot. We are already closer than we'll get in a 10 year Jodi rebuild, IMO.
     
  4. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    If we had a GM like Ainge I would consider it but we don't so we shouldn't.
     
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    MickZagger Well-Known Member

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    A shot at what?
     
  6. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    "he makes too much"

    how much should a top-10ish player make?

    Dame makes 34% of the current salary cap. The projection for the cap next year still has him at 34% of the cap. 10 NBA players make as much as Dame or more; 10 other players make within 6M of Dame which is still over 30% of the cap. 20 players paid at least 30% of the salary cap while Jokic and Embiid will join them next season

    as for cap-room....LOL...when has that ever mattered for Portland. The last time Portland had cap-space they spent it on Evan Turner, Allen Crabbe, and Festus Ezeli....after striking out on Chandler Parsons

    Blazers don't have good assets because of shitty management over a decade. Dame had nothing to do with that. But sure, lets make it his fault now to try and rationalize trading him away
     
  7. wizenheimer

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    sorry...I guess I failed to allow people to change their votes
     
  8. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Wait… I thought you were the GM? Isn’t your real name Joe Cronin???
     
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  9. robe

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    This Dame's salary is really confusing for me. So, I've got one question. If we put aside all the discussion about "how much he deserves", "we could only spent it on Evan Turner" and other things... If we put it aside and hypothetically assumed, that he make 20 millions a season. What would change in that situation?
     
  10. Propagandist

    Propagandist Unknown Quantity

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    I think you’re right. I recently had my Come to Dame moment. There is no trading this guy. Never have we, nor will we again, have a player like Dame.

    At this point. If I had to choose between Dame retiring a Blazer and a championship, I’d take Dame. Yeah, I said it.

    (That doesn’t mean that what’s been happening is okay. The city, and Dame, deserve a competitive team.)
     
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  11. blazerkor

    blazerkor Well-Known Member

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    Let's just see what happens both on May 16th and June 22nd before we decide what the future of our franchise is. Regardless of the outcome it should be Dame leading the best roster we can muster as far as it can go but we'll see what happens.
     
  12. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    He couldn't get better power ranger suits?
     
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  13. Phatguysrule

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    Winning any game or series. At least, a better shot than trading him would get us
     
  14. TBpup

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    Who is saying it is Dame's fault? I've seen a number of posters reason why perhaps Dame should be traded, but apparently have missed on who said it was "his fault". Personally, I have posted that despite his amazing offensive production, it hasn't translated into Playoff success. That isn't saying it's his fault, but rather just a matter of reality. And since it isn't having an impact on the franchise in terms of being a contender, due to my career, I'm a 'sell high' person. He is coming off the best numbers of his career. Perhaps his greatest value to the franchise is what could be returned as this roster needs a LOT of help....more than just one player can provide.

    It sucks that it has come to this, but waiting much longer, will bring on more age and diminish his value. You would want to make the best of a bad situation and get as much as you could as a franchise. Would it make a difference? Who knows. What we do know, is he was offensively brilliant.....and we are still 3rd from the absolute bottom in the West. 3 of the last 4 years we are sub .500. Players have change, coaches have change, and management has changed. There is only one thing left outside of ownership, which can't be controlled.

    Saying good-bye is difficult, but at what point do you move on? Or do you just keep doing the same thing. Sometimes it's not anyone's fault, it just doesn't work out and you have to move on. That is the case in business, marriage, sports, and almost any other example. You have the discussion, and make every attempt to move Dame to a place where he can win, but it almost has to be explored. To give Dame the opportunity to win a ring and to help the Blazer franchise have an opportunity to reset.

    IF the Blazers somehow luck into Wemby, AND can trade Ant and a pick for another bigger, lengthier piece, AND some vets are willing to sign here on the cheap thinking Portland has a shot to win a tittle.....that is about the only way I see Dame having a shot here. That is a lot of "candy and nuts".
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Portland does not have to put together the best team to win a title. Just good enough to win a title. There is a difference. A lot can happen during a season. Look at BKN and PHO. If KD isnt healthy then they blew their wad for nothing. Dallas: shit show with arguably the best player in the world. LAC: shit show. LAL: done.
     
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    Predator The Godfather

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    I would try my best to convince him that trading him for the twilight of his career is best for him and the franchise.

    If I failed, I wouldn’t trade him, so I can’t say #2. But man would I make a strong, strong case.
     
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    We need to put together a team that doesn't totally collapse if Dame misses 10 games in a season. The teams we've had over the last... two decades?? have been extremely brittle. We have no depth whatsoever, and we haven't had proper depth since Batum made a 0.5 second tip-in to win the game. So that's... what... 15 years?

    All that said, I agree we won't get there by trading Dame. But we won't get there by not trading Dame, either, so we should be looking to stat record books to solidify Dame's legacy now. Let him retire a Blazer, and then rebuild. Jodi or no, we won't be contenders until the 2030's.
     
  18. BassPlaya

    BassPlaya Puntificator

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    Lol. Top producer in the history of the franchise.
    Smart.
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    Community guy off the charts
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    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Trade him
     
  19. TBpup

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    All amazing traits. But no where in that list in anything about TEAM success. And I think that is the reason some people are at least considering looking at moving him while you should be able to get amazing assets back for him. Unless we aren't trying to win, which in that case, just continue to roll along in lower mediocrity.
     
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    Unless we amass some real talent in the front office, trading dame would be a complete and utter waste. At least here he's still an asset.

    EDIT: to add, sports above the junior high level is absolutely not about winning. It's about making money. Teams are businesses, and no business is trying to win games; they're trying to be profitable. If he retires here, the team gets a ton of good press (and avoids fan backlash), a ton of ticket sales from the years they kept him, and they save hundreds of millions of dollars by not taking back contracts in trade.
     
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