These are a group of people that want to stay in office rather than do what they believe And LOL at people who actually buy that the money they were promised off the bill will actually be "saved". In this bill, $900B is practically a rounding error. As an aside, The Independent is about as objective as MSNBC.
i dont get msnbc in canada but i know their morning anchor is joe scarbourough (a conservative pundit) and they have chirs matthews who's kinda of a middle of the road guy, in spite of what u conservatives might think. i remember matthews citing winston churchill as his personal hero. fyi-churchill (i.e the most beloved conservative politician in the west) is viewed as the allied version of hitler to many in the developing world. and the independent is one of the most respected publications in the world. in fact, they often take shots at the more liberal guardian. their roster features probably the most respected middle east correspondent in the world in robert fisk. in addition, their scathing criticism of mugabe's regime preceded the rest of the world's acknowledgment of mugabe's transgressions. although, im forgiving of your complete ignorance of the world; i know your preoccupied trying to find president obama's birth certificate. any luck with that? and how's hawaii in august? never been, just curious.
Actually, I'm more of a Libertarian, thank you very much. However, from your bumper-sticker standpoint, everyone right of Pierre Trudeau is a "conservative". FOX has Alan Colmes and Geraldo Rivera, does that mean they don't have rightist leanings? As for Chris Matthews, he is middle of the road...in Sweden. Anywhere else, he's made his allegiances pretty clear. Of course. Churchill was an Empirist who believed in English Exceptionalism. If I were from a Third World country, I probably wouldn't like him much either. That being said, he identified evil before anyone else and refused to bend to it no matter how short the odds. And for that reason, and that reason alone, National Socialism doesn't dominate this hemisphere. So is The Economist. So is the Wall Street Journal. What's your point? Who doesn't take shots at that rag? Sweet. The Kansas City Star once employed Ernest Hemmingway. Again, what's your point? See here, this is what we call a misdirection. It's a debate tactic attemped when all other points have been hopelessly lost. I accept your intellectual white flag; it was inevitable. As for Zimbabwe, I've actually been. Can you say the same? It's tough to take someone seriously who doesn't know their homophones.
u suffer from an inflated sense of self. i wasnt engaged in debate with u, no, just a mockery of u and your pathetic worldview. fyi, hemingway got his start here in toronto with the Star and fought against Franco and the fascists in Spain as a volunteer while many americans supported franco tacitly. as for churchill- he gassed the kurds and this unrepentant bigot fought the nazi's with a british force that was half indian. black solidiers went home to a segregated america, while indian soldiers went home to a fuckin colony and churchill was unapologetic about the entire thing. he was hitler lite without the condemnation of history. i never derided the wall street journal nor the economist, and i actually do read both. it still doesnt excuse your bashing of the independent on purely ideological reasons. ive never been to zimbabwe. where u there when ian smith enjoyed white minority rule in rhodesia? did u help arm ian smith and his cronies? and how was that birther convention? meet any nice members of congress? btw, trudeau was our greatest PM and a gentlemen.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/health-care-inches-ahead-in-congress-public-wary-2009-07-30 Health-care gains momentum in Congress, but not with public Polls show worries on rise about Obama's plan By Robert Schroeder, MarketWatch WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- House lawmakers resumed work Thursday on a sweeping health-care overhaul after reaching a deal Wednesday to cut costs, trying to hasten a vote on President Barack Obama's top domestic priority even as polls showed rising uneasiness about the plan. After a delay on Wednesday night, members of the House Energy and Commerce Committee got back to debating a bill that would extend insurance coverage to nearly all Americans. It would set up a public plan to compete with private insurers and also require individuals to have coverage. Read a summary. Committee members were under intense pressure to keep costs down after conservative Democrats struck a deal to trim about $100 billion from the plan, which had been projected to cost $1 trillion over 10 years. Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., began the work session Thursday morning by warning panel members that it would be "extremely difficult" to retain any amendments to the bill that added to its cost. Waxman said he expects to work on the bill on Friday in addition to Thursday. But a full House vote won't happen until after lawmakers return from a summer break on Sept. 8, the congressional leadership has said. Obama had pressed both the House and Senate to pass bills before taking a month-long recess, but that deadline has evaporated. Polls show concerns At the same time, Obama is facing rising concern about the health-care overhaul he is pushing, two new polls indicated Thursday. Support for Obama's health-care plans has declined over the past five weeks, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll. In the poll, conducted July 24-27, 42% of respondents called it a bad idea while 36% said it was a good idea. In mid-June, respondents were evenly divided when asked whether they thought the president's health plan was a good or bad idea. Among those with private insurance, meanwhile, the proportion calling the plan a bad idea rose to 47% from 37%. A New York Times/CBS News poll showed other worries. Sixty-nine percent of respondents said they were concerned that the quality of their care would fall if the government creates a universal health-care plan. But Americans still wish to make changes to the U.S. health-care system, the poll suggests. Forty-nine percent of respondents said they supported fundamental changes, and 33% said the health-care system needs to be completely rebuilt. Robert Schroeder is a reporter for MarketWatch in Washington.
This here, folks, is what we call a fail. Of course you won't have a debate with me; you're afraid of having your worldview challenged. In the arena of ideas, even with my modest intellect, I still trump you with one hemisphere on autopilot. Vaya con Dios.
MSNBC is as liberal as FOXNEWS is as conservative. I like Chris Matthews and he is for the most part pretty decent at what he does except when it comes to Obama. The guy loves him as much as FOX loved Bush.
go pledge allegiance to the flag and make sweet love to your sarah palin blowup doll. u live in bizzaro world- no one with any perspective takes u seriously.
yeah but your one of them, a sanitized version of him but one of them nonetheless. im probably the only moderate here
Funny thing is, I think I'm the most Liberal of people. Liberal in the social sense, and Liberal in the economic sense. Consistent.
never meant a liberal who believed global warming was a rumour; opposed obama on every policy decision; derided prof gates and supported crowley; defended cheney and against the public option.
Liberal means "Libertarian." Both words have their root in the word Liberty. Progressive means "I love big government, the bigger the better." I'm not a Progressive. Most people who call themselves Liberal are Progressives.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._2009/the_public_s_view_of_health_care_debate Over the past few months, Rasmussen Reports has conducted many surveys on the topic of health care reform. As July comes to an end and Congress prepares to take a break from Washington, the following reports highlight public attitudes on a variety of health care topics. Just 47% Favor Congressional Health Care Reform, 49% Oppose 23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress Only 18% Say Those With Chronic Conditions Should Pay More in Health Insurance Cost, Not Universal Coverage, is Top Health Care Concern for Voters 50% Oppose Government Health Insurance Company 78% Say Health Care Reform Likely to Mean Higher Taxes for the Middle Class Massachusetts: 26% Consider State’s Health Care Reform a Success Americans Evenly Divided Over Urgency of Health Care Reform Americans Support Universal Health Coverage, But Not If It Covers Illegal Immigrants Congressional Consensus on Health Care Gets Mixed Reviews from Public 31% Say Healthy Should Be Required to Buy Health Insurance 50% Support More Taxes on Alcohol To Help Fund Universal Health Care 42% Favor Free Health Care For All Americans – Unless Their Own Coverage Has To Change 56% of Uninsured Rate U.S. Health Care System as Poor, 26% Receive Poor Care 32% Would Pay Higher Taxes to Provide Health Insurance for All 35% Rate U.S. Health Care Good or Excellent 70% of Insured Rate Health Insurance Coverage As Good or Excellent Most Arizona Voters Put Immigration Over Health Care as More Important Reform Goal
