Im watching French v. Angola game and the announcer was talking about the sonics and saying ray allen will be going to the HOF. And i just laughed because hes a good a player but he hasnt done enough yet.what is your personal opinions?
I don't what to say about this one. Personally, I think Ray Allen is one of the best indaviduals that the NBA offers. But, he hasn't done much other then take his team to the East Finals, and that too with a stellar cast containing Sam, Glenn and a steady (though inconsistent) Tim Thomas. That Bucks team would have made the Finals in 2001 had it not been for Iverson's resiliency. I think this question can be answered when his career plays out and ends. I guess the player I can compare him to (career wise) is someone like Mitch Richmond...both were great in thier own ways but are always lost in the shuffle of the other superstars in the league, even in thier primes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">I highly doubt it, we is abrely even an all star to be honest</div> Exactly. Ray Allen is a good player, don't get me wrong, but he hasn't really won anything. He hasn't even been an all star in the past couple of seasons. Allen is a terrific shooter, but he just doesn't have the charisma as guys like Kobe, Pierce, and Carter. I highly doubt Ray Allen makes it to the HOF. Allen is a good player, but he isn't even a top 10 player in the league.
Like Brian said, Allen is a great player, but he isn't at the higher level. He can't carry a team and is not a top 15 player. He is a great shooter. He needs to get his teammates involved and defend better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ManHops23:</div><div class="quote_post">I think if he does good for another couple of years then maybe he is hof material</div> If he plays the way he's been playing for the next couple of years, he is not HOF material.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ManHops23:</div><div class="quote_post">I think if he does good for another couple of years then maybe he is hof material</div> Considering Ray Allen is pretty much 30 years old, I find it hard to see anymore improvement from him. What you see right now is what you'll get. Ray Allen is a good player, but he isn't HOF material. How can he make it in the HOF if he isn't even a top 10 player in the league today? He probably isn't even in the top 15
The basketball HOF is not as exclusive as MLB, the NFL, or the NHL's HOF. That being said I believe Ray Allen is too one dimensional to be a Hall of Famer. He has had a tremendous career and will go down in history as one of the premier shooting shooting guards that this league has showcased. But he has never been on the premier stage b/c he hasn't been able to advance deep into the postseason -- w/ the exception of 2001 when he played with Sam and Big Dog. If he made the HOF I wouldn't be surprised or upset, only b/c I have seen a lot less worthy candidates being enshrined. The NBA needs to have their own Hall of Fame so that it can be much more particular than the current set. Personally I think that Ray Allen needs to be an upper echelon shooting guard for another 8 seasons to be looked at as one of the better players to play that position -- and ultimately be named to the basketball HOF.
The HOF criteria is quite weird. It's amazing that someone like Adrian Dantley can't make it, yet many of the earlier inductions seem to pretty generous at first glance.
Ray Allen isn't even a Top 20 player in the NBA personally. The guy has had a good career but isn't worthy of HOF status. I like the comparison to Mitch Richmond.
It's really dependant on what classifies a Hall of Famer. If all Hall of Famers are the best "package players" that can do it all at a very high level, that can blow up their stats in every category or even one category, then Ray Allen is not a HOFer. But if someone sits down and says, "hey, Ray Allen is one of if not the best pure shooters to ever play." Should he be awarded for being such a great shooter and model of consistency in his shot? Or is he just not complete enough? I think Ray is definitely an interesting case.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Ray Allen isn't even a Top 20 player in the NBA personally. The guy has had a good career but isn't worthy of HOF status. I like the comparison to Mitch Richmond.</div> The same Mitch who carried a franchise, had close to the most technically perfect jumpshot you'll ever see, won an Olympic Gold, an All-Star MVP and a Championship (albeit as a non-factor), is one of only six players to average 21+ ppg over their first 10 seasons, has over 20,000 career points and had his number retired by the Kings?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinsanityVC15:</div><div class="quote_post">Im watching French v. Angola game and the announcer was talking about the sonics and saying ray allen will be going to the HOF. And i just laughed because hes a good a player but he hasnt done enough yet.what is your personal opinions?</div> He may never have been the greatest SG in the game, but he's probably the best at one of the most important skills in the game -- shooting the ball. He'll likely be the most prolific three-point shooter in NBA history by the time he retires. And I don't consider him one-dimensional at all. He's above average in all the offensive areas ... he just happens to be absolutely stellar in one of them. He's not a lock for the HoF yet, of course. But if he can get deep into the playoffs a couple more times and come up with some "Reggie Miller" moments, while maintaining his current level of production, he'll get in. Unfortunately, he's approaching the age where guards (particularly ones like him with a history of knee problems) break down. Hopefully, he can overcome that.
If you look at Ray's stats from the past 4 seasons, he's improved his scoring average. Last season he averaged a career high 25.1 pts. He has a really good work ethic and keeps himself in top shape. If he scores 23-25 a game next season, I won't be surprised at all. As far as him being one dimensional...well that's not true. He has career averages of 4 rebounds and 4 assists a game, and he does get 1.3 steals a game as well (no he is no defensive stopper). He can do it all on the offensive end...it's just those who see him play once in a while have the vision in their mind that he's just a 3 point shooter, and that's it.
By the way, based on basketball-reference.com's Hall of Fame model, right now Ray Allen has a 53.5% chance of getting in. The model doesn't work well for some players, though. Interesting enough, Reggie Miller's probability according to b-r.com's model is only 4.1% ... but most people consider him a lock. His stats and career achievements don't suggest he's a Hall of Famer (beyond the longevity, they're much less impressive than Ray Allen's), but he became so infamous for his playoff moments that he'll get in.
