Re-Do the 2004 NBA Draft

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  1. CelticBalla32

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    Rules
    - Take the draft position and the team's situation into account on each selection.

    - Each person makes just one pick per post, and the next person continues it (like the 2007 thread).

    Draft Order
    1. Orlando Magic
    2. Charlotte Bobcats
    3. Chicago Bulls
    4. Los Angeles Clippers
    5. Dallas Mavericks (via Washington)
    6. Atlanta Hawks
    7. Chicago Bulls (via Phoenix)
    8. Toronto Raptors
    9. Philadelphia 76ers
    10. Cleveland Cavaliers
    11. Golden State Warriors
    12. Seattle Sonics
    13. Portland Trail Blazers
    14. Utah Jazz
    15. Boston Celtics
    16. Utah Jazz
    17. Atlanta Hawks
    18. New Orleans Hornets
    19. Miami Heat
    20. Denver Nuggets
    21. Dallas Mavericks
    22. Portland Trail Blazers
    23. Portland Trail Blazers
    24. Boston Celtics
    25. Boston Celtics
    26. Sacramento Kings
    27. Los Angeles Lakers
    28. San Antonio Spurs
    29. Minnesota Timberwolves - *FORFEIT*
    30. Indiana Pacers

    I'll kick it off:

    1. Orlando Magic - Dwight Howard
    2. Charlotte Bobcats
     
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    1. Orlando Magic - Dwight Howard
    2. Charlotte Bobcats - Luol Deng
    3. Chicago Bulls - Al Jefferson
    4. Los Angeles Clippers -
     
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    4.Ben Gordon
     
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    Andre Iguodala should have gone over Gordon.

    5. Andre Iguodala

    How're we dealing with the Shaun Livingston injury?
     
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    ghoti A PhD in Horribleness

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Andre Iguodala should have gone over Gordon.

    5. Andre Iguodala

    How're we dealing with the Shaun Livingston injury?</div>

    If you know he's going to miss two seasons and possibly more, will you still draft him?
     
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    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Andre Iguodala should have gone over Gordon.

    5. Andre Iguodala

    How're we dealing with the Shaun Livingston injury?</div>

    If you know he's going to miss two seasons and possibly more, will you still draft him?
    </div>

    This is the third thread where you and I have run into this problem.

    I still think the concept of these threads is that you're drafting the player into a different situation. If a player got injured in a game while playing for one team, does that mean he'd still get injured in a game playing for another? Not likely.
     
  8. ghoti

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    6. Josh Smith (should be 2nd)
     
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    It's like this.

    If the draft were to be held today, where would you take these guys? Livingston has one leg. Would you take him?
     
  10. ghoti

    ghoti A PhD in Horribleness

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Andre Iguodala should have gone over Gordon.

    5. Andre Iguodala

    How're we dealing with the Shaun Livingston injury?</div>

    If you know he's going to miss two seasons and possibly more, will you still draft him?
    </div>

    This is the third thread where you and I have run into this problem.

    I still think the concept of these threads is that you're drafting the player into a different situation. If a player got injured in a game while playing for one team, does that mean he'd still get injured in a game playing for another? Not likely.
    </div>

    It's not a time machine.

    You are drafting the players with the information you have now.

    Injuries are a huge part of that.
     
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    Voodoo Child Can I Kick It?

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    7. Kevin Martin

    That Ben Gordon pick sticks out like a sore thumb with Iguodala, Smith, and Martin following.
     
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    8) Andris Biedrins
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Dec 27 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>8) Andris Biedrins</div>

    I would take him second, but he should be no lower than fifth.
     
  14. Voodoo Child

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Andre Iguodala should have gone over Gordon.

    5. Andre Iguodala

    How're we dealing with the Shaun Livingston injury?</div>

    If you know he's going to miss two seasons and possibly more, will you still draft him?
    </div>

    This is the third thread where you and I have run into this problem.

    I still think the concept of these threads is that you're drafting the player into a different situation. If a player got injured in a game while playing for one team, does that mean he'd still get injured in a game playing for another? Not likely.
    </div>

    It's not a time machine.

    You are drafting the players with the information you have now.

    Injuries are a huge part of that.
    </div>

    Then why do we bother to take into consideration the teams?
     
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    I don't take into consideration the teams.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Andre Iguodala should have gone over Gordon.

    5. Andre Iguodala

    How're we dealing with the Shaun Livingston injury?</div>

    If you know he's going to miss two seasons and possibly more, will you still draft him?
    </div>

    This is the third thread where you and I have run into this problem.

    I still think the concept of these threads is that you're drafting the player into a different situation. If a player got injured in a game while playing for one team, does that mean he'd still get injured in a game playing for another? Not likely.
    </div>

    It's not a time machine.

    You are drafting the players with the information you have now.

    Injuries are a huge part of that.
    </div>

    Then why do we bother to take into consideration the teams?
    </div>

    I haven't been.
     
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    cpawfan Monsters do exist

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Andre Iguodala should have gone over Gordon.

    5. Andre Iguodala

    How're we dealing with the Shaun Livingston injury?</div>

    If you know he's going to miss two seasons and possibly more, will you still draft him?
    </div>

    This is the third thread where you and I have run into this problem.

    I still think the concept of these threads is that you're drafting the player into a different situation. If a player got injured in a game while playing for one team, does that mean he'd still get injured in a game playing for another? Not likely.
    </div>

    The concept of a re-draft is to utilize everything you know about the players to date to correct the past.

    If you redo the 2000 draft, it doesn't matter if Kenyon is picked 1st, 2nd or 32nd. He is still going to have microfracture surgery on both knees.
     
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    9. Emeka Okafor


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The concept of a re-draft is to utilize everything you know about the players to date to correct the past.

    If you redo the 2000 draft, it doesn't matter if Kenyon is picked 1st, 2nd or 32nd. He is still going to have microfracture surgery on both knees.</div>

    So this is just a list of the top players from the class.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Dec 27 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>8) Andris Biedrins</div>

    I would take him second, but he should be no lower than fifth.
    </div>

    You only like him because he leads the league in using hair product.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Dec 27 2007, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The concept of a re-draft is to utilize everything you know about the players to date to correct the past.

    If you redo the 2000 draft, it doesn't matter if Kenyon is picked 1st, 2nd or 32nd. He is still going to have microfracture surgery on both knees.</div>

    So this is just a list of the top players from the class.
    </div>

    And when there is a tie in talent between two players, then you look at team need, if you can remember it accurately.

    It is completely a backwards looking process.
     

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