Rebuild or Keep team together?

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  1. Gohn

    Gohn JBB JustBBall Member

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    What does everyone think the warrior's should do?

    Should they do what atlanta is doing by making trades to get expiring contracts or should they do what the grizz kind did and keep a consistent nucleaus for a couple of years.

    I like the idea of keeping a team together, I think if they keep their core players this team will be better next year. Had Arenas stayed the warriors would have been very good because the team had been together for a while, but thats just my opinion though.

    The only downside is that they would be only good enough to make the playoffs, they would not have a chance at the championship. Personally I would be happy if they just made playoffs because I haven't seen the warriors have a winining season before.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    The last thing the warriors need to do is start over AGAIN. Keep what we have and build on that. We've already got tons of cap room. What Atlanta is doing is just going from bad to worse and they won't be guaranteed to get a big name player if Atlanta isn't going anywhere in terms of playoffs. Good players want to be on teams that have a chance at winning. I think that was the reason why NVE wasn't all that sour on joining the Warriors because the stellar second half of the season last year (minus the last 10 games where they just sort of gave up). The warriors almost went from sub .400 record to .500. They got close.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">The last thing the warriors need to do is start over AGAIN. Keep what we have and build on that. We've already got tons of cap room. What Atlanta is doing is just going from bad to worse and they won't be guaranteed to get a big name player if Atlanta isn't going anywhere in terms of playoffs. Good players want to be on teams that have a chance at winning. I think that was the reason why NVE wasn't all that sour on joining the Warriors because the stellar second half of the season last year (minus the last 10 games where they just sort of gave up). The warriors almost went from sub .400 record to .500. They got close.</div>

    If you were the GM, what would be your goal if you've never had a winning season for a while. To get to the playoffs or win a championship?

    Thats something that I've been thinking about, there's teams like Utah, who always make the playoffs, but everyone knows that they have no shot at the championship and then theres the Lakers who are built to win the championship.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">If you were the GM, what would be your goal if you've never had a winning season for a while. To get to the playoffs or win a championship?</div>Well when you haven't made the playoffs for 10 years straight, you first goal as a GM should be getting your team to the playoffs. Once we get into the playoffs, you can start making the necessary moves to go to the next level. Players will be more interested in playing for GS if we made the playoffs also. It will open up a lot of doors. That is why our first and primary goal should be making the playoffs.
     
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    I hope this is a "quality" post... I think the Warriors should keep this team together the best they can because of 1 reason...

    Chemistry

    The current Warriors team has not played a string of games where all the players were healthy. So they still need to learn how to play with each other and understand how to maximize each other's talents. So keep the team together next year. I do not know about Damp. I am worried that if we sign him to another big deal he will play the way he has for the most part of the last 6-7 years. Without a good center the Warriors will not make the playoffs in the west.
     
  6. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Maybe the warriors will luck out and get Okafor. He's a smart player. And a defensive machine. We need some big men that can play some D. Can Murphy play D?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe the warriors will luck out and get Okafor. He's a smart player. And a defensive machine. We need some big men that can play some D. Can Murphy play D?</div>


    :drool: Okafor. That would be sweet. No, murphy can not play d, yet.
     
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    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">:drool: Okafor. That would be sweet. No, murphy can not play d, yet.</div>

    I hope this is a "quality" post, but maybe we should trade Murphy if we can get a more athletic power forward that can do a little shotblockin' and man-to-man defense.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope this is a "quality" post, but maybe we should trade Murphy if we can get a more athletic power forward that can do a little shotblockin' and man-to-man defense.</div>I don't think trading murphy would be a good move at all. The guy has already proven himself. Not too many players can average a double-double in the West.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFuller:</div><div class="quote_post">welllllll, warriors should sign trajan langdon (former duke star and cleveland pg). He was amazing at duke, decent in the nba, but then waived for somereason........... Since Van Exel seems like he'll be out by the end of the season, and Avery Johnson may retire, langdon may be a solid player comin off the bench supportin claxton!!!

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/trajan_langdon/

    http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BEB</div>I don't know enough about langdon to really comment on this but I don't think NVE will opt out at the end of this season. I just can't see him walking away from $11 Mil. I don't know of too many teams who would be willing to pay an old gimp with bum knees $11 million.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know enough about langdon to really comment on this but I don't think NVE will opt out at the end of this season. I just can't see him walking away from $11 Mil. I don't know of too many teams who would be willing to pay an old gimp with bum knees $11 million.</div>

    The "Alaskin Assassin" is a solid 3 point shooter. But I think he's a defensive liability and I don't think he's that quick. That's just what we need a guy that doesn't penetrate and create, but just launches from downtown all the time. And one that doesn't play defense. Also I don't think he's a create for himself type player so that 3 point shot is pretty worthless.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFuller:</div><div class="quote_post">welllllll, warriors should sign trajan langdon (former duke star and cleveland pg). He was amazing at duke, decent in the nba, but then waived for somereason........... Since Van Exel seems like he'll be out by the end of the season, and Avery Johnson may retire, langdon may be a solid player comin off the bench supportin claxton!!!

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/trajan_langdon/

    http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BEB</div>

    Wasn't he on the Warriors early in the year. I don't really like him, basically for all the reason that custodianrules2 said.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think trading murphy would be a good move at all. The guy has already proven himself. Not too many players can average a double-double in the West.</div>

    He puts up good numbers but he's not that great a defender and has no inside game. The warriors would be better suited with a Kenyon Martin type player at that position with Atheltism and defense.

    I wouldn't mind having murphy despite some of his negatives if he had a decent lowpost game.
     
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    But Martin doesn't have the outside game Murphy has.

    The thing to remember is that Murphy is still young. This is only his third season. The guy posted a double-double in only his second season. This guy has a promising future and I want it to be with the Warriors.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">Wasn't he on the Warriors early in the year. I don't really like him, basically for all the reason that custodianrules2 said.</div>

    Let's all sign Duke's most hyped up draft picks Danny Ferry and William Avery while we're at it.

    And for the sake of it let's also resign Dan Langhi. Remember him? The losing streak began when we waived him. And when the bucks had him they played him and rallied and won against the Warriors.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">But Martin doesn't have the outside game Murphy has.

    The thing to remember is that Murphy is still young. This is only his third season. The guy posted a double-double in only his second season. This guy has a promising future and I want it to be with the Warriors.</div>

    Why does your PF need an outside game? That is what guards and small forwards are for. The farthest a PF should be shooting away from the basket is 10-15ft. But your argument for him putting up a double double average for his 2nd year in the league is pretty impressive. I just do not see him being a Elton Brand, or Chris Webber caliber forward, so if Okafor or Martin falls in our lap, I would take him.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Why does your PF need an outside game? That is what guards and small forwards are for. The farthest a PF should be shooting away from the basket is 10-15ft. But your argument for him putting up a double double average for his 2nd year in the league is pretty impressive. I just do not see him being a Elton Brand, or Chris Webber caliber forward, so if Okafor or Martin falls in our lap, I would take him.</div>
    Why do the Warriors want a power forward like Rasheed Wallace? Because of his versatility and that's what I think Rudeezy was referring to.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Let's all sign Duke's most hyped up draft picks Danny Ferry and William Avery while we're at it.

    And for the sake of it let's also resign Dan Langhi. Remember him? The losing streak began when we waived him. And when the bucks had him they played him and rallied and won against the Warriors.</div>

    I think I confused Dan Langhi with Trajon Langdon. They seem to similar to me.
     
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    Having a 4 able to hit some 3's just adds another dimension to the game. Not like Musselman would write any plays for it, but it's nice to have a power forward that can nail some from long range to beat the zone. Also, It forces one of the front court defenders to come out making the lane easier for a point guard or off guard to drive so he can create for himself or for his team's center. Especially if the guy with the ball is going directly at their center, drawing him away from your teamate who is now freed up and under the basket.
     

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