<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A trade involving Raptors' franchise Vince Carter and teammate Jalen Rose is lighting up the airwaves in New Orleans, according to WGNO, the cities' local sports radio. According to the radio report, Toronto has offered Carter and Rose in exchange for P.J. Brown and Canadian Jamal Magloire. The deal reportedly will include an undisclosed amount of cash. It is no secret in Toronto that Vince Carter is unhappy with his exclusion from the Raptors' off-season revamping of its front office and coaching staff. Other players would certainly have to be involved since both Rose and Carter have max salary contracts and Brown and Magloire earn considerably less. Also Magloire is entering the first year of a contract extension that flags him as a Base Year Compensation player, which would further hamper any trade involving him. </div> Source
Won't happen. Although it's Vince Carter, the Hornets will not make any trades that do not include Jamal Mashburn. And right now, it looks like Carter has settled down and will remain a Raptor.
My question is, is if this happens, who would the Hornets have at PF and C? I mean sure they have David West and Chris Anderson, but who else? I'd like to see David West become a starter. The man is a great player, grabs rebounds, can be an efficient scorer. And Chris Anderson is a shot blocking machine. But besides the two of them, they would have nobody else down low.
Yeah, that's the only problem with this trade for New Orleans. Yeah, they're bringing in big names. But Carter is being nagged by injuries and Rose is aging. I'd rather have Magloire around than bring Carter or Rose to New Orleans. I'm not that worried about Brown. He won't be around much longer.
The only reason the Hornets might consider this is that Carter would solve their attendance problems.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Triple Dubble:</div><div class="quote_post">Won't happen. Although it's Vince Carter, the Hornets will not make any trades that do not include Jamal Mashburn. And right now, it looks like Carter has settled down and will remain a Raptor.</div> Mashburn might be retiring, no team would want to accept a trade including Mashburn
if raps get PJ and Magloire, where will Marshall and Bosh fit in this puzzle? the raptors cant afford to sit bosh or magloire, so pj and donyell on the bench? would marshall see time at the three? or maybe marshall might start at the three. lineup might be PG - Alvin Williams SG - Mo Pete SF - Donyell Marshall PF - Chris Bosh C - Jammal Magloire this would be totally weird. we would have a bigger team tho.
i cant see the trade involving both pj and magloire. more then likely this trade proposal has been bastardized by a third party. instead of jalen its prolly donyell and instead of pj its prolly david west or someone else. it makes no sense to get rid of two guard/forwards for two center/power f's. new orleans will likely keep pj since he's a better defender then big cat, and he's the one that'll be defending the duncan's, kg's, amare's, randolph's...etc of the west. to NOH its prolly a better idea to draw a crowd to the games then win. winning can come in time. if they dont start generating local support and interest now, then they'll be screwed in a few years. now is the time to make people excited to come to a game. get everyone interested now...then start winning after you have your fan base. trading away big cat isnt that dumb of a move even if they are in the west. they need money and fans right now
well if this trade happens New Orleans will be in a short rebuilding process. i mean there backcourt would be truly set. I could see New orleans becoming a fastbreak team witht the pieces that they would have left. until this upcoming off season when big man free agency will be upon us. As for the Raps i believe they bulk up downlow and and they would aquire a good center in Magloire that could be the Raps first move towards building there team around Bosh. As i said in another thread, "If you build it they will come" it being a winning team and they being fans. this statement was directed toward Babcock concerning the fan base that carter provides for their team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DerfZ:</div><div class="quote_post">how bout we trade woods, carter, marshall, mason for davis, magloire, brown</div> Then the Hornets would win as many games as the amount of good players on their team after that trade (one).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Then the Hornets would win as many games as the amount of good players on their team after that trade (one).</div> So im suspecting that you're saying Donyell Marshall is not a good player? I don't like that trade either, but thats a rip on Marshall that he doesn't deserve.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">So im suspecting that you're saying Donyell Marshall is not a good player? I don't like that trade either, but thats a rip on Marshall that he doesn't deserve.</div> Or I could be saying that he would be the only good player. Vince Carter, right now, isn't worth much in my books anyways because of his attitude about wanting to leave Toronto. He wouldn't want to go to a team that has nothing to offer to him once he's there. He wants to win, but it's not like Karl Malone. Malone didn't whine about being traded, and the Mailman gave the Jazz 16 or 17 years. Carter knows he can't do anything by himself, so he's going to cry about it. Marshall is good, but he's not worth Baron or Magloire. Neither is Carter.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting realdealbneal:</div><div class="quote_post">Or I could be saying that he would be the only good player. Vince Carter, right now, isn't worth much in my books anyways because of his attitude about wanting to leave Toronto. He wouldn't want to go to a team that has nothing to offer to him once he's there. He wants to win, but it's not like Karl Malone. Malone didn't whine about being traded, and the Mailman gave the Jazz 16 or 17 years. Carter knows he can't do anything by himself, so he's going to cry about it.</div> That's not related to your previous statement. A Vince Carter on a bad team is still a good player, even if he's moping about it. When he comes on the court, he's always ready, and can be the best player on the court anytime. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marshall is good, but he's not worth Baron or Magloire. Neither is Carter</div> Obviously, they're not worth 2 All-Stars, Magloire and Baron Davis, but Marshall and Vince are still good players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">That's not related to your previous statement. A Vince Carter on a bad team is still a good player, even if he's moping about it. When he comes on the court, he's always ready, and can be the best player on the court anytime.</div> What I said was that Marshall would be the only good thing out of the trade, because Vince wouldn't want to go to the Hornets if all he'll have on his team is Marshall and David Wesley. He would cause management problems (more than likely, if he didn't wanna play for New Orleans). I used to love Vince Carter...but lately, I would choose many other players over him...including Prince, Bowen, etc...guys I would have never considered to trade Vince for back in his early years.
bowen??? give me a break lol..raptor fans continue to overrate vince, where as non-raptor fans continue to underrate him vince, donyell, mason and woods are not even close to worth even baron and big cat alone. mason and woods are throw-ins. baron and big cat are all-stars. donyell is a great player, but not an allstar. the deal might be worth it if it was vince, jalen, donyell and a first rounder for baron and mag.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">bowen??? give me a break lol..raptor fans continue to overrate vince, where as non-raptor fans continue to underrate him vince, donyell, mason and woods are not even close to worth even baron and big cat alone. mason and woods are throw-ins. baron and big cat are all-stars. donyell is a great player, but not an allstar. the deal might be worth it if it was vince, jalen, donyell and a first rounder for baron and mag.</div> It's true that I'm not a Raptor fan, but I used to really like Vince Carter. I won't say that he can't play...because he still can. I'm just saying that I'd rather have a guy that wants to play for the team than someone who doesn't. Kobe and Vince were my two favorite players in the league, but lately, I think Vince needs to just put up or shut up.
oh man, trust me i agree fully. vince also was one of my fav players...and i guess will continue to be if he stays a raptor. but if someone betrays my team then my love falls off for them ya know? im having a hard time supporting vince through all his b.s. toronto has been so good to him, and i kinda feel betrayed as a fan since iv been so supportive of him throughout all his injuries. i see what you mean about having a player who WANTS to be on the team, but i think id still rather have a disgruntled vince then a happy bowen lol. i guess i just think that vince will play hard because thats what needs to happen in order for him to be traded.
^ how can playing hard for your team make you get traded? but that trade proposal isn't bad at all for the Hornets although Magloire looks like he's becoming a big man star. The Raptors seem to want players that are willing to play for them, looking for Magloire who is a native... they also planned to sign Steve Nash before the Suns jumped ahead. Is it time for the Raptors to relocate to the US like Vancouver did? Noone seems to want to play for the Raptors now, and the management sure knows about it.
