Republican bill to require political approval of scientific papers

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  1. bluefrog

    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    Congressman Lamar Smith of Texas circulated a bill draft among colleagues this week which would in effect add a politician into scientific studies..

    The bill, titled the High Quality Research Act, would require the director of the NSF to certify in writing that every grant handed out by the federal agency is for work that is "the finest quality, is ground breaking, and answers questions or solves problems that are of utmost importance to society at large; and ... is not duplicative of other research project being funded by the Foundation or other Federal science agencies."
     
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    blazerboy30 Well-Known Member

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    Ummmm, misleading thread title.
     
  3. Further

    Further Guy

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    Fucking stupid and impossible to implement. And, it's attempting to fix something that isn't a problem. This politician is a moron who deserves a slow painful disease.
     
  4. speeds

    speeds $2.50 highball, $1.50 beer Staff Member Administrator GFX Team

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    Same d-bag who introduced SOPA.
     
  5. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    I didn't read the whole thing, but it sounds like they're trying to tighten the purse strings on the NSF before money goes out, not after work is done...
     
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    Today I saw a talk at my confrence titled
    CD164 and FCRL3 are highly expressed on CD4+CD26-T cells in Sézary syndrome patients.

    And a dozen other talks with equally tricky subjects and titles. Do you really think there is anyone who can determine which research is quality? No! Grants are read by several scientists in the specific field of study for that grant and if they feel its worthy, they give it high grades. And even so, most with high marks sti ll don't get funding because there is so little funding that only the best of the best garner funds. Lets see congressman douche understand the poster we are presenting at conference "EDIT I removed the title because I don't want someone who is googling our research to see my drunk postings. If you want to read the title it is in the photo of the poster in my next post " And that's just the title of the poster, a much dumbed down version of what would be submitted for a grant.

    Fuck this douche in the eye with a red hot poker!
     
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  7. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    this will end well.
     
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    Here is our poster. Do you think this congressional fucktard would understand it?
    [​IMG]
     
  9. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    Maybe if the photo was a little sharper, it's kinda hard to read...
     
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    I'm pissed and a tad drunk!

    But had a wonderful night at a pub here with some live music. Going out now for another round.

    Fucking douche of a congressman will cause innocent people pain and misery. He should burn!
     
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    Sorry, I'll add some better pics when I return.
     
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    Some drunk has stolen my avatar!

    Bastard!
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    The first order of business will be to deny grants for projects with words in the title that the esteemed congressman doesn't understand.
     
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    Homeostatic clearly has something to do with the gays and marriage. The homeosexuals need god, not science!
     
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    I don't think I understand the outrage. Should there not be any approvals necessary to get federal grants for research? Perhaps this isn't the best implementation, but obviously there should be vetting that occurs instead of just wasting money willy-nilly on frivolous research.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Which assumes that the current method of awarding grants is done willy-nilly and frivolously.
     
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    It kind of is.
     
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    Fiscal responsibility is a terrible idea. Just hand out as many grants as possible w/out any oversight.

    The tread title is completely misleading, by the way.
     
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    Honestly the first line of your post is far more misleading.
     
  20. Further

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    Warning, drunk posting.

    There are peers who approve or deny already. But anyone else would not understand the science in order to know if the research is worthy. So decisions would be based on feelings instead of science, like some congressman not wanting to approve research done on flies or worms because they did not understand the science behind a fly model. Or they don't understand the importance of research on pluripotent cells from adult cells but since the term stem cells is used they deny a grant.

    And if they are wanting today people who can understand the research to work for them and give a thumbs up or down, I suspect it would cost about $2000 per submission to fully vet. Considering only five percent of grant proposals get funded, that would be about $40,000 in expenditures per for getting one grant approved.

    This research by definition is cutting edge and only a couple hundred people could truly understand the fine nuances of proposed research. If I am studying the inflamasome signaling for ten years, I can't be up to date on psoriasis. The speciality requires that the only people who have the knowledge to grade a proposal are those who work in the exact field.
     

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