Resignation over flawed paper "debunking" man-made global warming

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  1. bluefrog

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    Resignation of Editor in chief for Remote Sensing blows gaping hole in Global Warming skepticism.

    "In a remarkable letter to his readership, Wolfgang Wagner, who until today was editor of Remote Sensing, an open-access journal that we’ve written about before, said he felt forced to resign because the review process at his journal — which, by implication, he shepherds — failed the scientific community (link added):"

     
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    See the other thread about the Nobel Prize winner. His resignation blows a hole in AGW.
     
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    Nobel Prize winner vs. Wolfgang Wagner, an editor of some website nobody's ever heard of.

    Who seems more credible? Tough one...
     
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    Not sure the prize is meaningful anymore. Carter, Gore, and Obama have one. So does Krugman.
     
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    Gee, I don't know, Denny. You were touting Spencer's paper pretty hard a few weeks ago.

    If we're judging the merits of scientific theories based on the Nobel Prize winners then AGW definitely has the lead.
     
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    Remote Sensing is a scientific journal (although it has a website too) nobody's heard of. To be fair most scientific journals are ones "nobody's heard of."
     
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    I don't agree that Spencer's work is debunked or invalid.

    He's the one saying the emperor wears no clothes. The resignation is a clear indication of peer pressure and nothing else.
     
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    the nobel prize! obviously anybody who has ever won one deserved it right? makes them more credible in an argument? :biglaugh:
     
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    That's hilarious. One 82 year old guy getting cranky and quitting a professional society 'blows a hole' in something?

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    I knew that's where you would go. Why didn't Wagner mention the political climate in his resignation or outright say peer pressure caused it?

    Fact is the Spencer and Braswell paper is flawed on multiple levels:

    LINK
     
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    Posted on 9-3 already:

    http://sportstwo.com/threads/194409...Cloud-Effect?p=2655503&viewfull=1#post2655503
     
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    So there's only poor and sloppy peer review on the politically incorrect findings? Interesting.
     
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    Some people are more deserving than others. I would argue if you're going to have a discussion about option pricing, Myron Scholes would be pretty damn credible (I would have said Fischer Black, but he had passed on by the time the award was given and the Nobel isn't given posthumously). Krugman's Nobel Prize was awarded for political reasons. It was an interesting theorem, but its primary problem is that it didn't prove out in the real world.
     
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    I think this may be a world record for leap of logic. I'm getting in touch with the folks at Guinness to get a confirmation. They may contact you in the coming weeks
     
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  16. Denny Crane

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    When the facts aren't on your side, pound the table?

    I asked a serious question.
     
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    What facts? I posted examples of errors in the paper to show that the editor in chief did a poor job in of screening the paper. THOSE are facts. What are you arguing ?

    To answer you question, no. There is also sometimes sloppy peer review on politically correct findings.

    Here are two examples: 1 2 (KABOOOOOOOM! Denny's argument explodes!) These authors had the decency to retract their paper when it was understood they were fundamentally flawed. Spencer and Baswell have too much at stake to (and too little humility) to do the same.
     
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    The facts are that they claim they did a poor job of screening THIS paper. Why just this paper, I ask.

    What paper are you talking about being retracted?
     
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    FWIW, I google for "global warming retraction" and quite a few things of interest come up. One is the retraction of a statistical analysis by Wegman because there were excerpts from WikiPedia in it (no challenge to the analysis, methods, or findings). Another is the IPCC may have to (or already has) retract their claim that glaciers in India will be fully melted by 2035.

    I question whether there should be any retractions at all. If a paper makes it into some journal or political report, let it stand in the light of day for all to see. For all to see the work in question, and for all to see that it somehow passed peer review at the time.
     
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    I don't think retraction means they chase down every copy of the journal issue and burn it.

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