Rivera at spring training

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  1. Rick2583

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    Invited back as a guest instructor.
     
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    The best thing Betances can do this spring is: Have Mo' show Dellin how to throw that trademark cutter......!
     
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    Yup!
     
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    ...gonna be interesting to see if Betances can go from the set up role to the closer's role...D-Rob was unreal in the set up role for Mo...but at times was not as good at closing games out.
     
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    I recently read somewhere that Betances & Miller will share the closer roll.
     
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    ...^^^ you mean Betances and Miller.
     
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    Yes Ron thank you. Correction made.
     
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    I know many people have said they believe that the closer's role should not be a scripted black and white thing....and while it has some validity, I'm just wondering how each individual player would react to it?

    I mean does Girardi get Betances warmed up in a possible entry into the 7-8th innings but later decides he doesn't need him for either/both of those innings...and then has him warm up again in the 9th to bring him in to put out a crucial 1 out, 2 men on situation to close out the game?

    ...seems to me that could create some problems.
     
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    I'm also not a fan of the rumored 6 man rotation. Hell for starters I can't even guess who the 6 would be, There's CC, Tanaka, Pineda, Evoldi & who? Warren? and who? This team will have enough trouble putting together a competitive 5 man rotation let alone 6
     
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    They whined when Ted Williams started the 5 man rotation.....
     
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    I believe throwing the cutter is a requirement in all Yankee minor league camps.
     
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    ...really?....I didn't know that.
     
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    His pitchers hated it.....and him, tried to get him fired. Read it in a book years ago, don't recall which one.
     
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    ...the problem I'd have with it is that if you have really strong #1 and #2 starters, while you'd be resting their arms a day longer, you'd also be taking 5-6 starts away from them every year.
     
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    That would also be my problem. I mean why pitch Clem Kadiddlehoffer on day 6 when you have rested & very productive Clay Kershaw that could go?
     
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    ...exactly...and you also never know how the starts will fall when playing someone who may ultimately knock you out of the playoffs because in a 3 game series they missed facing someone like Kershaw and faced and beat "Clem" instead.
     
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    Bottom line IMO, a really dumb idea.
     
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    Yep, and I'm still whining......

    Never been a fan of 5 Man Rotations; would still like to see a early 70s style of Complete Game Pitchers, ie those Orioles SP's, truly incredible, to have 4 SP's all with 20 or + Wins.....
     
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    I agree Rob. He's a fun stat.................20 game winners by decade,

    1940-1949 = 54 (9 - 25 game winners)
    1950-1959 = 59 (2 - 25 game winners)
    1960-1969 = 73 (11 - 25 game winners)
    1970-1979 = 93 (5 - 25 game winners)
    1980-1989 = 36 (1 - 25 game winner)
    1990-1999 = 34 (1 - 25 game winner)
    2000-2009 = 33 ( NONE )
    2010-2014 (5 years) = 14 ( NONE )
     
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    Incredible, thanks for putting together the stats Rick......

    I guess we know were becoming dinousaurs, when we prefer to see a 4 man rotation of Complete Game Pitchers. With a strong BP, if they need it, and a 5th spot starter, only to give the core 4 a day's rest or 2.....

    Paging, Earl Weaver......!!!

    I'd even venture to say, Mgrs. like Torre, are as responsible as anyone else, in the history of our Sport, to make a 9 inning affair, into a Little Lg. 6 inning affair. Or so it was, when we had Mo', and strong BP, of good set up men...!
     

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