Big Ben now one of NFL's highest paid players: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7866918 $35 million guaranteed... $102 million through 2015...
already won a super bowl, has played well ever since he came into the league, a lot of money but the 8 years is WELL deserved
Personally, it seems like a bit much as far as the cash goes. But hey, when you've got a great QB, you might as well shell out the big bucks to keep him, even if it is overpaying.
If I'm correct, weren't they talking about getting rid of the cap come the next CBA? I'm not sure if that's true, but I could have sworn I heard that somewhere.
Yeah apparently in the future, when the current CBA expires, we may see an uncapped NFL league. Think MLB but with NFL. The major market teams will be able to spend money on whoever they wish (Yankees), while lower markets in smaller cities will never be able to catch up. It will probably ruin the league, but luckily for me, Philadelphia isn't exactly a "low market" so I may be able to continue enjoying good football. Teams like Jacksonville should probably be worried
It might just be my Shitsburg hate, but I dont think he is a top 10 QB.... Yes he won a SB, but all he needs to do is hand the ball off to Fast Willie....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack @ Mar 3 2008, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hopefully the Steelers were smart enough to put in a "No motorcycles" clause in there somewhere. </div> I was going to say I'll bet the Motorcycle dealers are beating a path to his house.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Big Frame @ Mar 3 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It might just be my Shitsburg hate, but I dont think he is a top 10 QB.... Yes he won a SB, but all he needs to do is hand the ball off to Fast Willie....</div> I agree that he isn't a top 10 QB. Alot of that is the boring style Pittsburgh is famous for. B-roth definitely has the skills & ability to be a gunslinger like Marino & Favre.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Mar 4 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Big Frame @ Mar 3 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It might just be my Shitsburg hate, but I dont think he is a top 10 QB.... Yes he won a SB, but all he needs to do is hand the ball off to Fast Willie....</div> I agree that he isn't a top 10 QB. Alot of that is the boring style Pittsburgh is famous for. B-roth definitely has the skills & ability to be a gunslinger like Marino & Favre. </div> Last season, he threw 32 touchdown passes which was 3rd in the NFL. Here is some perspective on 32 TD passes In 2006 that would have been the top mark in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2004 that would have been third In 2003 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2002 that would have been the top mark In 2001 that would have been tied for second I'll even add in QB Rating He had a QB rating of 104.1 last season which was 3rd in the NFL In 2006 that would have been first in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for first In 2004 that would have been fifth In 2003 that would have been first In 2002 that would have been second In 2001 that would have been first
Ben is a solid QB, I would say in the top ten range. But I had some issues with a previous post in this thread. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 4 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Mar 4 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Big Frame @ Mar 3 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It might just be my Shitsburg hate, but I dont think he is a top 10 QB.... Yes he won a SB, but all he needs to do is hand the ball off to Fast Willie....</div> I agree that he isn't a top 10 QB. Alot of that is the boring style Pittsburgh is famous for. B-roth definitely has the skills & ability to be a gunslinger like Marino & Favre. </div> Last season, he threw 32 touchdown passes which was 3rd in the NFL. Here is some perspective on 32 TD passes In 2006 that would have been the top mark in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2004 that would have been third In 2003 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2002 that would have been the top mark In 2001 that would have been tied for second</div> Ben has a great TD%, however I wouldn't just focus on one stat. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'> I'll even add in QB Rating He had a QB rating of 104.1 last season which was 3rd in the NFL In 2006 that would have been first in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for first In 2004 that would have been fifth In 2003 that would have been first In 2002 that would have been second In 2001 that would have been first</div> QB rating is too arbitrary for my liking, Adjusted Yards is more logical and ranks Ben lower than how he is shown in these charts. Adj/P correlates more with Winning. In 2006 he would have been Sixth In 2005 he would have been Third In 2004 he would have been Tied for Sixth In 2003 he would have been Second In 2002 he would have been Third In 2001 he would have been Second He also loses some points for throwing 404 times, which is a bit low.
He showed a lot of improvement last season. In my eyes, he moved from a dependable QB on a good team to a legitimate franchise QB. The money's a bit much, but you got to lock up a good thing considering how few elite quarterbacks there are in the league these days.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Mar 4 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He showed a lot of improvement last season. In my eyes, he moved from a dependable QB on a good team to a legitimate franchise QB. The money's a bit much, but you got to lock up a good thing considering how few elite quarterbacks there are in the league these days.</div> The deal isn't that bad because of the inflation that will occur later in this league. Reggie Wayne's last contract might have seemed a bit extravagant at the time, but compared to Berrian it's nothing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Mar 4 2008, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben is a solid QB, I would say in the top ten range. But I had some issues with a previous post in this thread. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 4 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Mar 4 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Big Frame @ Mar 3 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It might just be my Shitsburg hate, but I dont think he is a top 10 QB.... Yes he won a SB, but all he needs to do is hand the ball off to Fast Willie....</div> I agree that he isn't a top 10 QB. Alot of that is the boring style Pittsburgh is famous for. B-roth definitely has the skills & ability to be a gunslinger like Marino & Favre. </div> Last season, he threw 32 touchdown passes which was 3rd in the NFL. Here is some perspective on 32 TD passes In 2006 that would have been the top mark in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2004 that would have been third In 2003 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2002 that would have been the top mark In 2001 that would have been tied for second</div> Ben has a great TD%, however I wouldn't just focus on one stat. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'> I'll even add in QB Rating He had a QB rating of 104.1 last season which was 3rd in the NFL In 2006 that would have been first in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for first In 2004 that would have been fifth In 2003 that would have been first In 2002 that would have been second In 2001 that would have been first</div> QB rating is too arbitrary for my liking, Adjusted Yards is more logical and ranks Ben lower than how he is shown in these charts. Adj/P correlates more with Winning. In 2006 he would have been Sixth In 2005 he would have been Third In 2004 he would have been Tied for Sixth In 2003 he would have been Second In 2002 he would have been Third In 2001 he would have been Second He also loses some points for throwing 404 times, which is a bit low. </div> In no way am I attempting to debate where Ben ranks as a QB nor is QB rating arbitrary. You can argue until your fingers bleeds about the value of it compared to Adjusted Yards, but it is not an arbitrary statistic. I'm simply pointing out that he had a season that would have been highly productive (compared to the other QB's) in any of the last few seasons. You are inventing issues that don't exist.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Mar 4 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He showed a lot of improvement last season. In my eyes, he moved from a dependable QB on a good team to a legitimate franchise QB. The money's a bit much, but you got to lock up a good thing considering how few elite quarterbacks there are in the league these days.</div> The deal will be reworked and reworked as time goes on so it will never be a cap killing deal. He is a good enough on the field and in the community for the Steelers to make and keep him as the face of the franchise.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 4 2008, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Mar 4 2008, 05:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ben is a solid QB, I would say in the top ten range. But I had some issues with a previous post in this thread. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 4 2008, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder @ Mar 4 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Big Frame @ Mar 3 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It might just be my Shitsburg hate, but I dont think he is a top 10 QB.... Yes he won a SB, but all he needs to do is hand the ball off to Fast Willie....</div> I agree that he isn't a top 10 QB. Alot of that is the boring style Pittsburgh is famous for. B-roth definitely has the skills & ability to be a gunslinger like Marino & Favre. </div> Last season, he threw 32 touchdown passes which was 3rd in the NFL. Here is some perspective on 32 TD passes In 2006 that would have been the top mark in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2004 that would have been third In 2003 that would have been tied for the top mark In 2002 that would have been the top mark In 2001 that would have been tied for second</div> Ben has a great TD%, however I wouldn't just focus on one stat. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'> I'll even add in QB Rating He had a QB rating of 104.1 last season which was 3rd in the NFL In 2006 that would have been first in the NFL In 2005 that would have been tied for first In 2004 that would have been fifth In 2003 that would have been first In 2002 that would have been second In 2001 that would have been first</div> QB rating is too arbitrary for my liking, Adjusted Yards is more logical and ranks Ben lower than how he is shown in these charts. Adj/P correlates more with Winning. In 2006 he would have been Sixth In 2005 he would have been Third In 2004 he would have been Tied for Sixth In 2003 he would have been Second In 2002 he would have been Third In 2001 he would have been Second He also loses some points for throwing 404 times, which is a bit low. </div> In no way am I attempting to debate where Ben ranks as a QB nor is QB rating arbitrary. You can argue until your fingers bleeds about the value of it compared to Adjusted Yards, but it is not an arbitrary statistic. I'm simply pointing out that he had a season that would have been highly productive (compared to the other QB's) in any of the last few seasons. You are inventing issues that don't exist. </div> No, Adjusted Yards makes sense, QB rating assimilates value randomly, that's a fact. I don't think you're evil or anything guy, I was just saying QB rating is a joke. It's misleading, thus I posted something superior to it. Big Ben obviously had a solid season, no disagreement there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Mar 5 2008, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, Adjusted Yards makes sense, QB rating assimilates value randomly, that's a fact. I don't think you're evil or anything guy, I was just saying QB rating is a joke. It's misleading, thus I posted something superior to it. Big Ben obviously had a solid season, no disagreement there.</div> QB rating does not do anything randomly. It has a set formula http://www.nfl.com/help/quarterbackratingformula It is rather contrived, but it isn't random at all. It is an unweighted linear formula. QB rating is one of many evaluation tools and it isn't misleading when used in context. I'm not attempting to correlate anything from the stat, rather I was just showing relative performance. You have professed your love for Adjusted Yards many times, but frankly I don't give a rats ass. I have no desire to get into the ridiculous debates about which QB is better than another because there is so much more that goes into an NFL team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Mar 5 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Mar 5 2008, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, Adjusted Yards makes sense, QB rating assimilates value randomly, that's a fact. I don't think you're evil or anything guy, I was just saying QB rating is a joke. It's misleading, thus I posted something superior to it. Big Ben obviously had a solid season, no disagreement there.</div> QB rating does not do anything randomly. It has a set formula http://www.nfl.com/help/quarterbackratingformula It is rather contrived, but it isn't random at all. It is an unweighted linear formula. QB rating is one of many evaluation tools and it isn't misleading when used in context. I'm not attempting to correlate anything from the stat, rather I was just showing relative performance. You have professed your love for Adjusted Yards many times, but frankly I don't give a rats ass. I have no desire to get into the ridiculous debates about which QB is better than another because there is so much more that goes into an NFL team. </div> We're talking about one QB, how the hell are we going to go into a tangent about other people and who's the greatest? That's completely off topic. What the **** do I care where Ben ranks against the legends, I simply reported the News with my own chart. QB rating randomly assumes that Completion Percentage is as important as TD-INT ratio for example. That is indeed random. You can not give a **** about Adj/p, that's not the problem. What i can say, is that Ben is definitely better then some people give him credit for, but this BS about being First in some years is not the "entire" story. So..... This leads me to my ultimate point: I at least wanted to provide more perspective for the casual fan, I don't see the problem. It is a completely objective analysis.
