There's a rumor gaining some legs involving the Warriors-Clippers-Kings. Clippers end up with Mike Dunleavey Jr. Kings end up with Corey Maggette Warriors end up with Tru Warier They brought up on a local LA Radio show yesterday, and Chad Ford touched on it during his chat session today.
No way Sac does that. Artest is locked into a contract with at least a couple of years left. Maggette is just another player who will score 15-20 on a mediocre team.
That would be difficult to make work since Dunleavy is BYC and all teams are over the cap. I'm not even sure I'd want Artest after being able to watch him play more since hes been in Sacramento. He shoots way too much and I totally agree with Jim Barnett that he can't be a primary scorer, he puts up good scoring numbers but if hes the guy you're going to when you need a bucket then you're screwed, and I don't think Artest would be happy being behind Baron and JR on the go-to scorer list. Artest is a great defender, rebounder, and a tough guy and we definitely need help in all those areas. Still, I'm not sure I even want him anymore since he didn't last at all in Sac, plus we'd have to give more than Dunleavy, we'd probably also throw in Pietrus or some other solid players/picks. I'd probably do the deal if we traded Dunleavy and spare parts but if we have to give anything too valuable I'd pass or just try to get Maggette alone.
<div class="quote_poster">philsmith75 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No way Sac does that. Artest is locked into a contract with at least a couple of years left. Maggette is just another player who will score 15-20 on a mediocre team.</div> Artest has a player option for the summer of 2008. Essentially this would be a 1 1/2 year Artest rental (unless demands to be traded again), ultimately I think he wants to join the other crazy in New York. Trading Dunleavy would save the Warriors $28Million in cap space spreadout for 3 years. It gives them $9Million in cap relief when Monta and Biedrins extensions come up. This might be the move to make for both the long and short term of the Warriors franchise. If Nellie can convince Artest he belongs in the post, and sells him on the fact he can be the #1 option on offense in the post, it could be a beautiful fit for the Warriors.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No way Sac does that. Artest is locked into a contract with at least a couple of years left. Maggette is just another player who will score 15-20 on a mediocre team.</div> Maggette and Artest have basically the same contract and same amount of years too. The reason the Kings would trade for Maggette is because Artest has been a distraction to the team. He thinks he should be the man, and wants to be the number one option on offense
<div class="quote_poster">Gohn Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Maggette and Artest have basically the same contract and same amount of years too. The reason the Kings would trade for Maggette is because Artest has been a distraction to the team. He thinks he should be the man, and wants to be the number one option on offense</div> The irony is Corey Maggette feels the same way in Los Angeles.
Ron Artest + Baron Davis? That'd be like the 4th of July I could see this happening; the contracts are right, and each player seems to need a fresh start. This could be a good deal for each team involved, though I keep hearing that the Magic are interested in Magette and vice versa. Any updates there?
Do it. Artest is good for only a year on any team, so we can milk him until his contract ends and then we have more cap space for our youngsters.
<div class="quote_poster">AnimeFANatic Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Do it. Artest is good for only a year on any team, so we can milk him until his contract ends and then we have more cap space for our youngsters.</div> Agree, I'm kind of going back and forth on this one but like Shape said, it will help with the short term success of the team and the long term cap situation.
I tried Trade Checker and if the Warriors include Zarko to Sacramento it allows the Warriors to deal the BYC of Duns.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Artest has a player option for the summer of 2008. Essentially this would be a 1 1/2 year Artest rental (unless demands to be traded again), ultimately I think he wants to join the other crazy in New York. Trading Dunleavy would save the Warriors $28Million in cap space spreadout for 3 years. It gives them $9Million in cap relief when Monta and Biedrins extensions come up. This might be the move to make for both the long and short term of the Warriors franchise. If Nellie can convince Artest he belongs in the post, and sells him on the fact he can be the #1 option on offense in the post, it could be a beautiful fit for the Warriors.</div> Well, when you put it this way... DO IT!
First of all, when have we ever heard about any move coming down the wire that actually happened? When Mullin makes a move it is from out of no where it seems and all these rumors are just that rumors. With that being said, if this DID happen I would be torn. 1. Dunleavy is just now starting to play well, but obviously Artest is the better player so I would make this trade in a heart beat 2. Do I want the headaches associated with Artest more than I want Dunleavy's contract off the books? That is a toss up. 3. That is a horrible trade for both teams but especially for the Clippers so I doubt it would actually happen. I dont know why Artest wants out of Sac but I think he could be a good fit here so long as he gets enough shots. I dont think Baron would mind at all having to give up the rock to Artest as it would probably rack up his assist numbers. Artest would be a better go to scorer than Jrich as well and I dont think Jrich would mind that one bit so long as the team is winning. Plus Artest can play SF or in the post where he can beat up most other forwards besides the likes of TD, KG, etc. All in all, I would make the trade. Even if the experiment went horribly wrong, we could at least get SOMETHING better than Dunleavy out of him or his contract comes off the books in a year or so, but dont get your hopes up...
Yeah, I would think GS would want Magettee over Artest (just for the headache factor) so why involve 3rd team? It doesn't really make a lot of sense, but it's fun to talk.
<div class="quote_poster">Warriorfansnc93 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> 2. Do I want the headaches associated with Artest more than I want Dunleavy's contract off the books? That is a toss up. </div> Keep in mind that Artest would only have a short amount of time left on his contract and provides short term results, and then we can get rid of this nutcase when his contract is up. We could also use him as a expiring trade piece, and if his value is high, we could get something good in return, something that Dunleavy could never equal in trade value. To me it's hitting 2 birds with 1 stone. We get a better player and a shorter contract.
Apparently Indiana was looking for Ike before, or possibly Andris. So if we can now acquire Artest only giving up MDJ I say why not? Then move Murph,who is giving us nothing right now, and probably won't under Nelson, for an expiring contract and things are looking up. You have a pretty good young starting unit (possibly Baron, JRich, Barnes, Artest, Beans), some real talent coming off the bench (Monta, Pietrus, Ike), plus some cap room to sign our young players to contracts when the time comes. I like it. If for some reason Artest doesn't work out, who cares? You got rid of one of the worst contracts in NBA history. And if Artest does work out, you didn't really give up anything of value to get him (IMO, sorry Dun-lovers).
Oh yeah... Lets not forget Mullin has total hots for Dunleavy. That itself makes this deal impossible. If he's insane enough to give a restricted FA bust a 44 mil deal, he's insane enough to keep him for life.
<div class="quote_poster">HiRez Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Apparently Indiana was looking for Ike before, or possibly Andris. So if we can now acquire Artest only giving up MDJ I say why not? Then move Murph,who is giving us nothing right now, and probably won't under Nelson, for an expiring contract and things are looking up. You have a pretty good young starting unit (possibly Baron, JRich, Barnes, Artest, Beans), some real talent coming off the bench (Monta, Pietrus, Ike), plus some cap room to sign our young players to contracts when the time comes. I like it. If for some reason Artest doesn't work out, who cares? You got rid of one of the worst contracts in NBA history. And if Artest does work out, you didn't really give up anything of value to get him (IMO, sorry Dun-lovers).</div> You're in line with my thought process on this trade scenario, but more brutally honest with your opinion.
For the short term this seems like a good idea because like others have said, it reduces the short term/long term threat of paying luxury tax on too many multi-year guaranteed player salaries. If any of these rumors were valid, it could also give us 1 of 2 possible players on the block to trade for that give us something we don't have on the perimeter (defense, ability to knock down free throws and get to the line, more physical play and athleticism) Long term... I don't have a clue what this will do to our team long term. If Artest comes off the books without any compensation or has another incident, it may not be in our best interests. The sprewell incident has been long lasting and I'd rather not have any personality like Sprewell's here in Oakland ever again. It's bad for the team, it's bad for trying to get any value back for that type of behavior. I'd also want good value for a Sprewell or an Artest. Like, if we're getting Shane Battier or Bruce Bowen in return for a guy like Artest, I'd rather have either of those two guys instead of renting a headache or getting nothing back in return once his deal is up. It'd be ideal to have a 1rst team or 2nd team all defensive team player back in a swap for the defensive player of the year. So, actually I hope a sign and trade is in order if we have the flexibility to do so. With Mullin in charge, maybe not... since he's very bad with money so far The other thing I don't like about Artest is that he's pretty selfish with the shot selection at times. Similar to Maggette with stopping the ball movement, but Artest is probably a better passer if he sees the play happening. Guys like Coach Dunleavy admire the players that can score, defend, and be unselfish at the same time. So there's a big reason we're probably not seeing when he's trying to go after guys like his son or that Russian kid they drafted the year before, who is similar to his son (only more athletic and more promising). Between Artest and Maggette, I'd want Maggette. We kind of know he's incomplete still, but I just think between those two available swingmen, Maggette is the safer bet both team chemistry wise, for the management, and he's got some upside left. He's probably a player that could fit well with Baron Davis in the open court being both high energy and extremely athletic and strong. He has a chance to be a solid defender if he's concentrating on defense, but Nelly hasn't really cared about that because of small ball. I'm worried about blackholes when it comes to swinging the ball, but if he can instruct Murphy to pass, I think Maggette should do well on drive and kick. I think Maggette's role would be to soften up the defenses inside, so we can drive on them all day or take the midrange baseline shot. But this is probably dependent on how healthy we think he can stay. It's like the Baron Davis trade. If neither of these guys are healthy at the same point in time, it may be frustrating as hell. If Artest is the only player we can trade for... I'm reluctant to go along with it unless we're telling Artest to take a vacation and go promote his rap CD. I just don't think that guy has changed. You can't fix crazy. You can only get them the hell away from everybody else that's not crazy.
