Science and Religion questions

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  1. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    If the big bang is true (and i think it is), what is at the edge/end of the universe?

    What was there before?

    Those are two things I simply can't wrap my brain around.


    What would it take for a religious person to say they don't believe in their religion? The discover of another life in the universe?

    Of all the planets/systems out there, how does one explain them using religion?
     
  2. MARIS61

    MARIS61 Real American

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    Don't waste time questioning your existence.

    Embrace it and make the most of it.
     
  3. OSUBlazerfan

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    Why would the discovery of life somewhere else in the universe nullify my belief in God/Jesus? I don't get the correlation.
     
  4. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    It was mostly a question. Is Earth the only place he made?
     
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    Ah ok, my bad.

    Can't answer that question because i just don't know. But it would not surprise me if some other life existed out there, and there very well could be an explanation of it.
     
  6. magnifier661

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    Well for those that believe in no god and the Big Bang; they believe there was no such thing as anything outside the universe. In the beginning; there is this super condensed mass that expanded into the universe we know today.

    That this concentrated mass created space, time and all that we know today. They believe that there is nothing outside the universe.

    I think that's a funny way of thinking.
     
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    I believe we were created as eternal beings. Our life here on Earth far less than a dot on a gym floor. The best is yet to come......that is, if you have a relationship with Him. :)
     
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    This is what I think.

    In the beginning, there was this concentrated mass of energy (God). God (energy) was without space and time. God commanded and created space, matter and time with him "Outside this Universe"; so he can reside outside the 4th dimension. This is how he has the ability to foresee the past, future and present all at once.

    The great Hawking once said that time travel was impossible; but later said it is possible if you can harness the power of a star. I could only imagine the power of a being that can harness the power of the universe.
     
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    SPD, these questions, like the one the Eskimo asked above, are difficult to understand and answer. We have limited thinking and understanding, but what we do know is that we should (this priest, and anyone else) should try to spread the 'good' word.

    I think only God could answer this question, and others that are similar in difficulty.
     
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    I posted only to provoke but I very much appreciate that you looked past that and gave a well thought out reply. Rep'd!
     
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    Np!
     
  13. Further

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    Mags has it basically right, well at least the part of nothing, at least nothing that we know about, past the universe. People often think about the Big Bang as an explosion outward from a pin prick dot to everything, but if I understand correctly, the edges of the universe are the last part of the big bang. so as we analyze the furthest reaches of the universe we are actually looking at the the closest remnants to the big bang. That's trippy to think about.

    Also, remember in our own galaxy, there are 200 to 400 BILLION stars, and there is an estimated 100 to 200 BILLION galaxies. So what is beyond all that, I don't fully grasp what nothing means, but then again, I can't really grasp what 800 Billion Billion solar systems means. Some of this is only really understandable in mathematical formula. conceptually, it's just mad hatter.

    Mags, I really do respect you. A appreciate when religion accepts the natural world. There is no reason they have to butt heads.
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    Not quite right.

    There was no mass at the instance of the big bang.

    There was no space/time "before" the big bang. There couldn't be a "before" because there was no such thing as "time." The question of what existed "before" is illogical.

    I think most of us are open to the idea that there is a multiverse and that would be "outside" the universe.
     
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    As it was explained to me, If there is proven to be a multiverse, then new definitions will be needed, because those other universes will be tied to our universe in such a way that our definition of universe will actually encompass all of the multiverse universes. Basically it's like calling both New York City and New York State, New York. They are two different entities, one within the other. Our term Universe, would encompass all the individual universes of a multiverse. Confusing. We need a few more words in our everyday language to handle physics. Like the different definitions of Nothing. Or when something existed outside of time, we can't say before or after. I think a few new words would do wonders to help me understand.
     
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    Well you're God aren't you? Can't you just invent some new words or something?
     
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    I don't think you have it right. In a multiverse, you have multiple universes, each distinct. The universes aren't "in" anything else.
     
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    I invented the term bastard spot. The area of less dense hair on your face keeping you from growing a nice homogenous beard. It comes from when a friend in highschool had a spotty beard, we joked that in the middle of the night some bastard would enter his room and gag him with duct tape, have his way with him, and then when removing the tape, would leave bald spots. So, those bald spots left by the bastard, became known as bastard spots.

    That didn't really catch on, nobody listens to GOD anyway.
     
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    You are correct, and incorrect, that's why I say we need another word. There is no word for all the multiverses, including our universe. But, the word that includes everything is universe, so depending on which part of the definition you wish to use, I could be right or wrong. Basically, there needs to be a word that means everything.

    Like most words, there are many definitions, but the first one that came up on a quick search for Universe is
    So this definition would seem to include all multiverses that had matter and space. Other definitions that are more precise and set limits, may not include multiverse universes.
     
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    Why is there love? It is unnecessary, in fact counter to, evolutionary advancement for men. Procreation does not require love, just sex.

    Go Blazers
     

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