<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Bulls coach Scott Skiles was asked before the game Friday night against the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden exactly how much his smallish team misses 6-11 Eddy Curry, who was traded to the Knicks in October. ''Well, the team he went to is struggling mightily, I would say,'' Skiles said. So, Skiles' answer is basically the Bulls don't miss Curry? ''What we miss most from Eddy is his ability to catch the ball by the basket and dunk it,'' Skiles said. ''We don't have any big man on our team that, when our guards penetrate, can catch the dump-off passes and finish strong. We've got some cleaver guys that can go in and shoot reverse layups or whatever, but Eddy can just overpower people by the basket. ''That's what we're missing most.'' After offering that back-handed compliment, Skiles was asked if he was surprised that Curry -- who entered Friday's game averaging 13.6 points and 6.2 rebounds -- hasn't flourished so far with the Knicks. ''No,'' Skiles said. When asked why, he responded, ''[I'm] just not.''</div> <div align="center">Source</div> I think it’s safe to say Skiles was not exactly fond of Curry.
Of course he's not surprised Curry struggled. He missed 8 months of basketball, and got out of shape because of an overexaggerated heart condition Curry has. I think the Bulls going from homecourt advantage to possibly out of the playoffs says a lot about the impact Curry had on this team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course he's not surprised Curry struggled. He missed 8 months of basketball, and got out of shape because of an overexaggerated heart condition Curry has. I think the Bulls going from homecourt advantage to possibly out of the playoffs says a lot about the impact Curry had on this team.</div> I am not going to lie. When this trade first took place I felt bad. I was a big supporter of Curry, and resigning him. I thought he would keep improving, and have a break out year this season possibly average 20 points a game, but as he has shown in New York that is not the case. Now that I look at what we got back I am actually thrilled we traded him. We received so much compensation in return it is not even funny. I mean a top three pick, Sweetney, an option to switch picks next year, and cap relief in Tim Thomas. If we could go back I would not change on thing about this trade from a Bulls fan perspective. You cannot blame Curry?s struggles this season on what happened last off-season he was out of shape before that. He got into somewhat reasonable playing shape early in the 2004-05 season, but we still don?t know if that was honest hard work or him trying to get a big payday. Till today still see the loss of Davis as a bigger blow then losing Curry. When we lost Davis we lost toughness, leadership, and a mentor for Chandler. Hell right now we only have one player on the roster with over five years pro experience. I think that speaks for itself. Skiles basically summarized what Curry was in that article. A guy we could dump the ball down to in the post that could finish. Not only that he was a big body so he could over power guys in the post, and draw double teams. That is something we don?t have right now. We still do a good job with what we got we are top in the league in perimeter shooting, we have great play from the outside, but when we are in dire need of a bucket we have no one down low to finish. I don?t think it is a tribute to Curry?s game, the fact that we are struggling, is mostly a testament to how undersized we are in our front court, and our inability to address that after we traded off Curry. We thought Sweetney would be able to fill that void, but after a strong start he has been a huge disappointment. Overall Curry is still young and has the potential to be a 20 point per game guy in the future, but I?d rather sacrifice one season in order to build a better future. The fact that the Knicks have not found success with Curry shows he is not the soul reason for our success last year. This off-season because of that Curry trade we have double digit cap space heading into this off-season and two lottery picks sounds good to me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post"><div align="center">Source</div> I think it’s safe to say Skiles was not exactly fond of Curry.</div>Not only that but Larry Brown dissed Scott Skiles coaching ability, so that last question about whether "Curry would flourish in NY" might've been directed at Brown. And for those who don't know, here was the original beef: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...8p-314893c.html <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The fighter in Scott Skiles came out swinging after Larry Brown was quoted saying in October that he was telling things to Eddy Curry "that I think he hadn't heard before." Considering the controversy surrounding the Curry trade and the animosity that has always existed between the Knicks and Chicago Bulls, Skiles believed that Brown was insulting his coaching. "Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure Larry invented the game," was Skiles' response. "That's the second direct shot he's taken. He also said that 'once he got the Chicago out of (ex-Piston) Ronald Dupree, he'd be able to do something' ."</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">Not only that but Larry Brown dissed Scott Skiles coaching ability, so that last question about whether "Curry would flourish in NY" might've been directed at Brown. And for those who don't know, here was the original beef: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketba...8p-314893c.html</div> Seeing that article just reminds me of how cocky and overconfident Brown was when he took over the Knicks. He acted as if he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and everyone in NY treated him as if he was..... <div align="center"></div> Of course he was a great coach, but one man cannot turn around a team with the highest payroll in the league, and still have the worst record. Oh, how the honeymoon quickly ended. Larry is a great coach, but he had no idea what he was getting into when he went to NY. He saw the 10 million a year, and simply said “where do I sign”.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I am not going to lie. When this trade first took place I felt bad. I was a big supporter of Curry, and resigning him. I thought he would keep improving, and have a break out year this season possibly average 20 points a game, but as he has shown in New York that is not the case. Now that I look at what we got back I am actually thrilled we traded him. We received so much compensation in return it is not even funny. I mean a top three pick, Sweetney, an option to switch picks next year, and cap relief in Tim Thomas. If we could go back I would not change on thing about this trade from a Bulls fan perspective.</div> Curry and Sweetney kind of cancel each other out. You get Tim Thomas’ expiring contract, but you gave Antonio Davis’. How is that more cap relief? The lottery pick is the only thing you really got. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You cannot blame Curry’s struggles this season on what happened last off-season he was out of shape before that. He got into somewhat reasonable playing shape early in the 2004-05 season, but we still don’t know if that was honest hard work or him trying to get a big payday. Till today still see the loss of Davis as a bigger blow then losing Curry. When we lost Davis we lost toughness, leadership, and a mentor for Chandler. Hell right now we only have one player on the roster with over five years pro experience. I think that speaks for itself.</div> Well, considering how hard Curry worked to get into game shape right now, I think he’s turned over a new leaf so to speak. Antonio Davis is not a starting-caliber power forward anymore. He’s really lost it from last year. Davis is still a mentor to Chandler; I hear they talk on the phone quite frequently. With Davis you lost leadership, but that’s pretty much it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Skiles basically summarized what Curry was in that article. A guy we could dump the ball down to in the post that could finish. Not only that he was a big body so he could over power guys in the post, and draw double teams. That is something we don’t have right now. We still do a good job with what we got we are top in the league in perimeter shooting, we have great play from the outside, but when we are in dire need of a bucket we have no one down low to finish.</div> With the great perimeter shooting the Bulls do, Curry could have been a piece to put them over the top. They could have had a low post presence to go along with a deadly perimeter game and perimeter shooting isn’t as effective nor as accurate as interior shooting. That’s why, as you said, Curry was valuable to this team. Point is, without Curry you’re below .500 and probably missing out on the playoffs. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don’t think it is a tribute to Curry’s game, the fact that we are struggling, is mostly a testament to how undersized we are in our front court, and our inability to address that after we traded off Curry. We thought Sweetney would be able to fill that void, but after a strong start he has been a huge disappointment. Overall Curry is still young and has the potential to be a 20 point per game guy in the future, but I’d rather sacrifice one season in order to build a better future.</div> Chandler was supposed to fill the void. The fact that he underperforms without the presence of another seven-footer is something to be concerned about, really. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact that the Knicks have not found success with Curry shows he is not the soul reason for our success last year. This off-season because of that Curry trade we have double digit cap space heading into this off-season and two lottery picks sounds good to me.</div> We can’t even begin to judge Curry. Last year you had a healthy, in shape Curry, with a coach who was there for a little while. This year we had an unhealthy, out of shape Curry, who was in the midst of all of Larry Brown’s confusion. Until we see a healthy Curry is the only time we can judge the trade. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Seeing that article just reminds me of how cocky and overconfident Brown was when he took over the Knicks. He acted as if he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and everyone in NY treated him as if he was..... Of course he was a great coach, but one man cannot turn around a team with the highest payroll in the league, and still have the worst record. Oh, how the honeymoon quickly ended. Larry is a great coach, but he had no idea what he was getting into when he went to NY. He saw the 10 million a year, and simply said “where do I sign”.</div> I think you have no idea of the situation with the Knicks. Brown is actually the reason why the Knicks have been struggling. He’s been inconsistent with their lineups, rotations, and tears down everyone’s confidence with his babbling to the media. Is this supposed to be the Knick players’ faults? I can’t blame you, though. You, like many other people, are oblivious to the situation in New York and are victims of the media spoon feeding you the idea that it’s the fault of only Isiah and the players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Curry and Sweetney kind of cancel each other out. You get Tim Thomas? expiring contract, but you gave Antonio Davis?. How is that more cap relief? The lottery pick is the only thing you really got.</div> When we traded Curry we also saved money in terms of not signing him to a big long term contract. That is the extra cap room I am talking about. By not having to worry about resigning Curry, who would probably have demanded around 60 million from Chicago. The Bulls are then able to save even more money heading into free agency. How they decide to use it is up to them. Possibly to lock down Hinrich long term, or bring in a big free agent signing. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, considering how hard Curry worked to get into game shape right now, I think he?s turned over a new leaf so to speak. Antonio Davis is not a starting-caliber power forward anymore. He?s really lost it from last year. Davis is still a mentor to Chandler; I hear they talk on the phone quite frequently. With Davis you lost leadership, but that?s pretty much it.</div> Curry may be in game shape right now, but do you is that the weight you want him to be at? He has not really shown much in New York yet he weighs more than he did last season, and averages less points per game. As far as Davis goes even though him and Chandler remain close their is a huge difference in being around a locker room, and seeing a player everyday. As opposed to speaking to him on the phone, and giving him advice. For example Shaquille O?Neal?s relationship with Lebron James. He speaks with Lebron often on the phone, as stated in an ESPN interview, but do you think Lebron is learning more from Shaq then Dwayne Wade is by playing with him everyday? Davis may not be starter quality any more, but that is not what we would need him for. Davis is still a solid eight points per game guy off the bench. His locker room leadership amidst a young team was indispensable, I think leadership is the main thing this team lacks. You speak of leadership as if it?s not a big thing, but the players we have on the roster right now are very influential and sensitive to articles, being in slumps, and getting boo?d. We need that guy to help out Chandler because he did come out of high school. Hinrich and Gordon don?t need that crutch as much, because they learned so much under big programs in college. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">With the great perimeter shooting the Bulls do, Curry could have been a piece to put them over the top. They could have had a low post presence to go along with a deadly perimeter game and perimeter shooting isn?t as effective nor as accurate as interior shooting. That?s why, as you said, Curry was valuable to this team. Point is, without Curry you?re below .500 and probably missing out on the playoffs.</div> I did not deny that in fact I stated that was very true. He was a big guy to dump the ball inside who could finish and draw double teams like I said above, but he was not worth the hassle he put the Bulls through this off season. The Knicks more than compensated for us losing Curry by very likely giving us two future lottery pick selections, a top three this year. I would rather take a step back for one season, and have a brighter future then sacrifice integrity for temporary success with Curry. Curry is a good young talent, but he does not have any motivation when it comes to rebounding, and his offense comes, and goes. I still think he could some day be a elite big man in the league, but am not holding my breath for that day to come any time soon. Also at the time Paxson was doing all he could to keep Curry. He did not want to let the kid go. He offered him 100,000 dollars a year for the period of 40 years to take a DNA test, regardless of the results, that would have cleared up any questions that where lingering about Curry?s heart issue. Curry refused, and then criticized the organization in the news paper. He left the Bulls no choice, and Paxson pulled off an incredible deal that put the Bulls in a possession of envy for 90% of all other NBA ball clubs. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Chandler was supposed to fill the void. The fact that he underperforms without the presence of another seven-footer is something to be concerned about, really. </div> Not necessarily he is actually having one of his better seasons as of late. His numbers are deceiving because he struggled for the first thirty games of the season to find himself. One Bulls official said it was because he forgot why the Bulls resigned him. He was trying to hard to become that low post presence the Bulls lacked, and when things weren?t going well his confidence fell, and he began to question himself. No one expected Chandler to be a monster on the offensive end this year. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We can?t even begin to judge Curry. Last year you had a healthy, in shape Curry, with a coach who was there for a little while. This year we had an unhealthy, out of shape Curry, who was in the midst of all of Larry Brown?s confusion. Until we see a healthy Curry is the only time we can judge the trade.</div> You said earlier in your post that Curry had gotten himself into good playing shape, and that was commendable. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, considering how hard Curry worked to get into game shape right now, I think he?s turned over a new leaf so to speak.</div> You are kind of contradicting yourself right now. I agree with you on the fact that he is out of shape though. I disagree however with you saying we cannot begin to judge him. He has been in the league five seasons now. In that time he has really only had one break out season, which happened to be his contract year. The other four years he has been out of shape, and underachieved. I think that is saying something. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> think you have no idea of the situation with the Knicks. Brown is actually the reason why the Knicks have been struggling. He?s been inconsistent with their lineups, rotations, and tears down everyone?s confidence with his babbling to the media. Is this supposed to be the Knick players? faults? I can?t blame you, though. You, like many other people, are oblivious to the situation in New York and are victims of the media spoon feeding you the idea that it?s the fault of only Isiah and the players.</div> Actually, I live near the metropolitan area, and being in northeastern Pennsylvania I get local coverage of the Knicks, and have watched several Knicks games this season. I know that Brown has used more lineups than one can keep count of, I know that he has not been consistent with giving players minutes, and I know he has thrown his team under the bus in media interviews. However, I also don?t see Isiah Thomas making any moves to improve the situation. Brown is a defensive minded coach. How many players with a defensive background has Isiah brought in for Larry to work with? The fact that Larry has found success in every NBA city he has been employed in, in the past. Yet has not managed to even change the feeling people express about the franchise, in his tenure in New York speaks volumes of just how much improvement the team needs to make.
davis's contract runs out at the end of the year, do you think he'll resign with us? he really really really wanted to stay in chicago and i fi remember correctly he was gonna resign with us anyway
