Selfish??

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  1. Eagles4Life

    Eagles4Life He Hate Me

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    I have thought about this for a while. Peyton Manning is having a great year, but I cant help and think that he's being a bit selfish with the ball. From the games I have watched him play (5 or 6 of them), it seems like he always calls himself to throw in the redzone. With a RB like EDGE he should have like 15 - 20 TD's in that offense, and he only has 6. I just think that Peyton cares too much about records, and should distribute the ball a bit more. A big reason why Dan MArino has 48 TD's to begin with, is cause he had no running game. Manning does not have the same excuse, and should not throw on a 1 Yd line with an RB like Edge
     
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    Bearsfan1 2 Time Defending FF Champion

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    That is not completely accurate, in fact the Colts have a pass/run distribution of 56/44 that is pretty balanced. 2nd the colts are averaging 35 points per game. and are 8-3. So they are winning, they are scoring more than any team ever in NFL history and you are questioning thier strategy!

    Plus, look at games they lost NE - Edge fumbled twice or they probably win.
    KC - Defense gave up 45
    Jax - Two fumbles probably cost them the game
     
  3. Eagles4Life

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    No..No..and No. Edge does get a lot of work between the 20's, however in the red zone it seems like all they do is throw the ball. I cant imagine that in a long run that wont get under his skin.
     
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    Once again, offense scoring 35 points a game, on pace to break NFL record. This means that this offensive strategy is going to work better than any offensive strategy ever in the history of the league. THat is a GOOD thing. Man you just like to bring down people when they are on top.
     
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    Selfish = TO complaining because he didnt get the ball enough in the 2nd half of a blowout win against Carolina....If the best way to score a TD is to throw it in, then its selfish of Edge to want it at the goalline....Manning is doing what hes doing for the sake of 52 other Colts, thats not selfish, thats selfless....
     
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    I just went through the Indy Box Scores for the year and 20 of Peyton Manning's Touchdowns this year have been from 10 yards out or less. Of those 20 passes, more than half were 5 yards or less.

    I don't mind him calling his own number in the Red Zone, but I DO think it's ridiculous the way they ran up the score on the Bears and the Lions and continued to throw and throw and throw.

    It seems funny to me to throw for 230 yards and SIX touchdowns. He may shatter Marino's TD record, but he won't even come close to touching his yardage. THAT'S what makes me think he's trying to break the record.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>Selfish = TO complaining because he didnt get the ball enough in the 2nd half of a blowout win against Carolina....If the best way to score a TD is to throw it in, then its selfish of Edge to want it at the goalline....Manning is doing what hes doing for the sake of 52 other Colts, thats not selfish, thats selfless....</div>

    I have yet to hear TO complain about not getting the ball enough. I have no cue what you are talking about. If anything, TO has been consistent in saying that if he is covered the other guys are getting the ball, and that was part of the reason he was brought in.
     
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    Nobody should give a damn what TO thinks which 99% of the time is about himself or his needs.
     
  9. JustBry07

    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    Mannings a great QB, but I'm getting tired of all the hype around him its just getting old now. Id like to see someone else come up big and have all the talk on them. Peyton is just looking to break the record, his ego is growing as we speak!
     
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    It is amazing. He does nothing and says nothing selfish, he does not show up his opponents with silly dances, and yet you all want to tear the guy down. Time to face reality, if you gave Mcnabb, vicsk running ability they would still not be Manning. Bottom line: His job is to lead his team to points. That is the offenses job, correct? He is doing it a pace unequaled in NFL history. So the question is, when did it become a bad thing to be the best player on the best offense of ALL TIME!!!

    BTW the people on this forum knocking him seem to be rooting for scrambling QB's. Bottom line:Pocket Passer = NFL champion, Scrambler = NEVER WON A TITLE EVER
     
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    So you're assuming that only pocket passers can be NFL champions and that cause one hasnt won yet they never will? I want to see Manning backing some horrible offense and see how well he does, his WRs help his ass huge too. He's slow as hell, without the ability to scramble, if you dont have a good team with ya you are toast. Im bored of it all.
     
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    Hmmm Manning has the lowest amount of sacks per dropback despite his slowness and Vick has one of the highest. Hold on while I try and figure this out.
     
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    how bout we close off 9 outta the 10 theads on manning and just talk about him in 1 thread
     
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    too many stupid ignorant moronic opinions of him for one thread
     
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    well what are they gonna do about it? its not like ya can call him up n tell him to stop throwing the ball... and hima ctually listen.

    each team ahas a different style. if he wants to throw let him throw. if mcnabb or vick wanna run, let em. its their style.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Scrambler = NEVER WON A TITLE EVER</div>

    What about Steve Young?
     
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    Let me interject because I'm a believer in the Pocket Passer, yet I believe that Manning shouldn't be throwing as much as he is inside the 5. I've seen it on more than one occasion this season that Manning has called his own number inside the 5 on FIRST down and I think it's a bit on the silly side. Lot's of teams deal with fumbling backs and have good QB's but don't throw on First and 1 or First and 2. Green Bay would run first, even Minnesota would run over 50% of the time even if it's Culpepper calling his own number. Running wears defenses down and keeps your team in control of TOP.

    The Colts won't lose any championships because they throw inside the 5 or don't control the clock enough, it's because their defense sucks.

    But I still think Manning needs to hand the rock off a bit more often inside the 5. Share the wealth... don't let one lousy NE game be an excuse to why you pass. If anything, pass on NE, run on lesser teams. Or mix it up evenly. James has the second most yardage in the league. Give him a frickin' bone.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>So you're assuming that only pocket passers can be NFL champions</div>

    Let's see. the last few QB's on winning super bowl teams have been; Brady, Dilfer, & Warner. All pocket passers. What a shock!!
     
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    Steve Young was a pocket passer.

    2nd, this is in response to SF, i understand how to share, but if what you are doing is resulting in your team scoring more points than any team ever in the history of the league should you stop?

    Defense is 17th ranked scoring defense.

    Manning is not running up his TD totals. He only has 5 4th Quarter passing TDs and they are all when his team was within 7 points of teh opponent
     
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    Time for me to jump in... *gulp*...

    I have to agree that Manning is being a bit selfish when it comes to racking up the TD's. He's admitted before that he does care about records (he's gunning for Brett Favre's consecutive starts) and breaking Marino's record would be a huge deal. If you watch any of their games, you'll see that he does change the plays inside the 5 quite a bit, and the number of rushing TD's that they have is pretty low.

    The fact is, however, they aren't going to care until it comes back to bite them in the ass (if it even does). They are scoring a ton of points, and I see no reason for them to stop doing what works. I do think that by not distributing the ball, they will be in trouble later. What happens when Manning has one of his infamous games where he just breaks down?

    Oh, one final thing. Manning IS the best in the league RIGHT NOW, but just like our debates on McNabb, Manning has also proven to choke in big games. If he throws for more than 48 this year, he better be able to put up the same 4, 5, or 6 TD's in a game that really counts.
     

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