<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Several NBA officials are convinced the Pacers will trade Jermaine O?Neal to the Lakers for Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum.</div> http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/463..._will_get_done/ I'm still praying we can get Marquis Daniels.
LOL i was about to post this just now! hehehe Dude! its financially possible to acquire JO without giving up Lamar
The Lakers are moving away from Lamar and Bynum, you need to realize that. Chris Sheridan reported that the Lakers 3 main targets this off season are Jermaine, Camby, and Artest. They plan on offering Luke in a S&T or Kwame and the 19 to Sactown for Artest. If they can keep Kwame and the 19 pick, they're going to try and lull Camby. Farmar Kobe Artest Jermaine Camby I doubt it all happens though. I can see Artest and Jermaine being Lakers, though.
If we can land Artest and JO, I think that automatically puts up right up there with the top four out West. A trio of Kobe/Artest/JO could very much rival the likes of Duncan/Manu/Parker, Nash/Marion/Stat, and Dirk/Howard/Terry. However, outside of that thought, the thing that makes me really like these trades is the defensive impact. Both Artest and JO are great defensive players. That alone makes this worth it. Right now, Kobe is a one man show on both sides, and it's killing him. He has to guard the best player every night and try to score. If we can land Artest, that helps a lot on that aspect. It'd allow Kobe to focus more on offense because we'd have Artest that can guard the other teams best player. Plus, we'd have JO in the middle who is very serviceable on defense and is also a very good shot blocker, something we haven't had in a while. Shifting to the offensive side, it also gives us a great inside out game. JO would be our first post prescence on offense since Shaq, and that alone is going to make life easier on Kobe. He can attract attention to the middle, giving Kobe more open looks and clearer lanes to the hoop. With Artest, while he's not the greatest offensive player in the world, he's still capable of being a 20ppg scorer. He's got a solid jumper and back to the basket game, and adding him will also help Kobe. In all, landing these two makes this team loads better. We'd get a consistent post threat in JO, our defense automatically gets better, and Kobe finally gets a couple consistent parts that should more than satisfy him.
We'd still have the MLE if this does get done. That's something you get every year, and a trade shouldn't affect this. The way we'd get Camby really depends on how we get JO. If we can keep either Odom or Kwame in that trade, we'd be able to trade him to the Nuggs to get the Cambyman. However, I'm not counting on getting Camby at the moment, I'm just looking for Artest and JO.
Denver wants cap space, so they would need expiring contracts in return for Camby. Acquiring Jermaine O'Neal for Odom and Bynum only makes sense if the Lakers also have a deal in place to land Artest. EDIT: You know what would be fantastic, if the TWolves came to the conclusion "Hey Odom and Bynum is a solid deal, let's offer them KG for those two."
Laker Trade Here is a good trade, and if it doesn't appease Kobe, i don't know what will. The only problem is it is going to wipe out our roster, losing seven players. However, we will gain 3 from the draft, one for MLE, and one for LLE, which is 5 more players. We will be gaining 3 players from the deal, so that puts us up one. We will NOT be resigning Smush Parker or Chris Mihm, so that puts us just one under! Here it is: Sacramento Trade Breakdown Outgoing Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's 18.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.7 minutes Incoming Vladimir Radmanovic 6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign) 6.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.0 minutes Maurice Evans 6-5 SG from Texas 8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes Sasha Vujacic 6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign) 4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.8 minutes Change in team outlook: +0.5 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and -0.3 apg. L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown Outgoing Lamar Odom 6-10 PF from Rhode Island 15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.3 minutes Kwame Brown 6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS) 8.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.6 minutes Vladimir Radmanovic 6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign) 6.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.0 minutes Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 7.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.9 minutes Maurice Evans 6-5 SG from Texas 8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes Sasha Vujacic 6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign) 4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.8 minutes Ronny Turiaf 6-9 PF from Gonzaga 5.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.9 minutes Incoming Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's 18.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.7 minutes Jermaine O'Neal 6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS) 19.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes Marcus Camby 6-11 C from Massachusetts 11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.2 apg in 33.9 minutes Change in team outlook: -7.3 ppg, -5.1 rpg, and -2.7 apg. Indiana Trade Breakdown Outgoing Jermaine O'Neal 6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS) 19.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes Incoming Lamar Odom 6-10 PF from Rhode Island 15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.3 minutes Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 7.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.9 minutes Change in team outlook: +4.3 ppg, +6.1 rpg, and +3.5 apg. Denver Trade Breakdown Outgoing Marcus Camby 6-11 C from Massachusetts 11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.2 apg in 33.9 minutes Incoming Kwame Brown 6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS) 8.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.6 minutes Ronny Turiaf 6-9 PF from Gonzaga 5.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.9 minutes Change in team outlook: +2.5 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and -0.5 apg. Sacramento Trade Breakdown Outgoing Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's 18.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.7 minutes Incoming Vladimir Radmanovic 6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign) 6.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.0 minutes Maurice Evans 6-5 SG from Texas 8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes Sasha Vujacic 6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign) 4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.8 minutes Change in team outlook: +0.5 ppg, +1.2 rpg, and -0.3 apg. L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown Outgoing Lamar Odom 6-10 PF from Rhode Island 15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.3 minutes Kwame Brown 6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS) 8.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.6 minutes Vladimir Radmanovic 6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign) 6.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.2 apg in 18.0 minutes Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 7.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.9 minutes Maurice Evans 6-5 SG from Texas 8.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes Sasha Vujacic 6-7 SG from Slovenia (Foreign) 4.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.8 minutes Ronny Turiaf 6-9 PF from Gonzaga 5.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.9 minutes Incoming Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's 18.8 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.7 minutes Jermaine O'Neal 6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS) 19.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes Marcus Camby 6-11 C from Massachusetts 11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.2 apg in 33.9 minutes Change in team outlook: -7.3 ppg, -5.1 rpg, and -2.7 apg. Indiana Trade Breakdown Outgoing Jermaine O'Neal 6-11 C from Eau Claire (HS) 19.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.4 apg in 35.7 minutes Incoming Lamar Odom 6-10 PF from Rhode Island 15.9 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 4.8 apg in 39.3 minutes Andrew Bynum 7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS) 7.8 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.9 minutes Change in team outlook: +4.3 ppg, +6.1 rpg, and +3.5 apg. Starting 5: PG Jordan Farmar SG Kobe Bryant SF Ron Artest PF Jermaine O'Neal C Marcus Camby NO DEPTH ON BENCH ____________________________________ I much rather have this trade: Denver Trade Breakdown Outgoing Marcus Camby 6-11 C from Massachusetts 11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.2 apg in 33.9 minutes Incoming Kwame Brown 6-11 C from Glynn Academy (HS) 8.4 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 27.6 minutes Ronny Turiaf 6-9 PF from Gonzaga 5.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.9 minutes Change in team outlook: +2.5 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and -0.5 apg. Starting Five: PG Jason Kidd SG Kobe Bryant SF Luke Walton PF Cliff Robinson C Marcus Camby MORE DEPTH. IF we can get Magloire w/ MLE, we don't even have to get Marcus Camby, so our starting five would be: PG Jason Kidd SG Kobe Bryant SF Luke Walton PF Kwame Brown/Ronny Turiaf C Jamaal Magloire Those are 3 SOLID starting lineups. Still, I don't like management's idea of thinking large w/ Artest, Camby, and O'Neal, but I'd rather get rid of the Artest and Camby idea and just get Kidd. That way we will still have youth in Jermaine O'Neal, and we will be damn near unstoppable. One of the league's best shotblockers, the best defensive point guard, and the best player in the league.
Wow, you must have spent a lot of time with that blockbuster. Great job. I think everything looks solid, except for who the Kings end up with. If you swap Radman for Luke, it looks more fair for them. I hate losing Turiaf, but a front line of JO and Camby would be a shotblocking party every night. PG - who cares SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - JO C - Camby That's a ridiculous starting 5.
having artest kobe and JO would be stupidly good. But what about that good PG we all dream of? did some one say Smush
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, you must have spent a lot of time with that blockbuster. Great job. I think everything looks solid, except for who the Kings end up with. If you swap Radman for Luke, it looks more fair for them. I hate losing Turiaf, but a front line of JO and Camby would be a shotblocking party every night. PG - who cares SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - JO C - Camby That's a ridiculous starting 5.</div> HAHAHA thanks Shape. It actually took me like 20 minutes.
If I'm the Lakers I'm not sure if I want Artest. Yes, he has a good contract and seems to be a pretty good gamble but I don't think it will work out quite as well as some of you do. I don't see much of the Lakers but I live in Sac and see a lot of Artest and I believe that, in his mind, he is as good as Kobe. He will want his shots and if he doesn't get them, the ball will stop once it gets to him. Also, I'm not sure if JO really likes Artest anymore. IIRC, he started out defending Artest but then grew pretty tired of his act. Pairing the 2 together again could be asking for locker room problems.
<div class="quote_poster">ryanfish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If I'm the Lakers I'm not sure if I want Artest. Yes, he has a good contract and seems to be a pretty good gamble but I don't think it will work out quite as well as some of you do. I don't see much of the Lakers but I live in Sac and see a lot of Artest and I believe that, in his mind, he is as good as Kobe. He will want his shots and if he doesn't get them, the ball will stop once it gets to him. Also, I'm not sure if JO really likes Artest anymore. IIRC, he started out defending Artest but then grew pretty tired of his act. Pairing the 2 together again could be asking for locker room problems.</div> Yeah Artest is a huge question mark for several reasons. However, I don't think the Lakers have a better alternative at this point, and hopefully Artest plays under his best behavior for at least one season. He was able to play under control his first year in Sacramento, so maybe a change of environment and some theraputic sessions with PJax will be enough to keep him focused for a season. There will be a lot of interesting dynamics with this group, but winning seems to take care of a lot of issues that develop when a team is frustrasted and people start losing their composure.
Cmon Phil is the guy who managed with Rodman, lets hope if we get Artest then he can keep his off court issues to a new time low. Like shape said when your team is winning there's not too much to be angry about
<div class="quote_poster">bronbron23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Cmon Phil is the guy who managed with Rodman, lets hope if we get Artest then he can keep his off court issues to a new time low. Like shape said when your team is winning there's not too much to be angry about</div> Rodman had a wild ego, he wasn't a criminal.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, you must have spent a lot of time with that blockbuster. Great job. I think everything looks solid, except for who the Kings end up with. If you swap Radman for Luke, it looks more fair for them. I hate losing Turiaf, but a front line of JO and Camby would be a shotblocking party every night. PG - who cares SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - JO C - Camby That's a ridiculous starting 5.</div> that would be sick but who is going to play on our bench....Smush Parker1, Smush Parker2 ....etc lol?
<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">that would be sick but who is going to play on our bench....Smush Parker1, Smush Parker2 ....etc lol?</div> Smush Parker won't be back no matter what. Lakers could probably re-sign Chris Mihm and Shammond Williams. They would still have Radman & Soft Baked Cookie. Then they have MLE (which they can spend on one or two players) and two or three draft picks to fill out the roster.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Smush Parker won't be back no matter what. Lakers could probably re-sign Chris Mihm and Shammond Williams. They would still have Radman & Soft Baked Cookie. Then they have MLE (which they can spend on one or two players) and two or three draft picks to fill out the roster.</div> okay...imagine that after O'neal gets traded to LA lets say he can OPT OUT next season ...and LA will be left with no Bynum/Odom and same position stuck with Kobe but even worser. Shammond Williams still plays in NBA? isn't he like 33?
<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">okay...imagine that after O'neal gets traded to LA lets say he can OPT OUT next season ...and LA will be left with no Bynum/Odom and same position stuck with Kobe but even worser.</div> Why would he opt out and leave $43 Million on the table? Even if he does, the Lakers would have A LOT of cap room to pursue free agents or trade a small salary for a big one (ie KG)
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why would he opt out and leave $43 Million on the table? Even if he does, the Lakers would have A LOT of cap room to pursue free agents or trade a small salary for a big one (ie KG)</div> Again lol why would any FA would come to LA when the'll know Kobe will bounce from there 08/09. In my point of view this trade Lakers about to make for O'neal will either save/ruin the entire franchise. If O'neal OPT OUT Kobe will follow him with 08/09 season. So they will be left with no young Bynum, Odom, and decent bench they have now. I also think that Shammond Williams is major whooe, so basically your bench is Vlad. Again gl going vs deep Suns bench
