Re: Seymore: "They outcoached us" Listen to it here (There is a little thing on college football, it's after that)<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"We didn't do enough to win. I think they uh... they outplayed us and they outcoached us. From top to bottom. You know, um, they did a good job. I think Eric had those guys ready to play."</div>That last part: I think Eric had those guys ready to play. Was a direct hit on Belichick. BB despises Eric Mangini for leaving for New York. Listen to the link if you can.
Re: Seymore: "They outcoached us" I think part of Belichecks refusal to admit that Mangini is a good coach is because theres a bit of fear there to be honest. Let's not forget that they are both Wesleyan graduates which is definately not a easy school to get into and that Mangini has worked under Belicheck for a decade so he knows every single trick he has. Where in comparison Saban only worked under Belicheck in his Cleveland debacle years, Charlie Weis isnt even in the same league, and Romeo Crennell is also out of the division. They dont bring the same kind of threat that Mangini probably does in Belicheck's eyes since he has to compete against Mangini now twice a year and he knows every trick in the book straight from Belicheck's mouth. On the other hand, the Patriots players still clearly respect Mangini and gave him his due.
Re: Seymore: "They outcoached us" ADrop hit the nail on the head.Mangini is in the same division and knows every single trick Belicheck has. Crennel, Weis and Saban aren't even close to having the same amount of history or proximity to Belicheck. Mangini knows everything. The defensive playbook and probably the offensive playbook from practice. What does Belicheck have left that Mangini doesn't know? Only those 2 know but obviously it's too little for Belicheck not to care that Mangini knows a lot.You can't deny, you'd be pretty pissed if your protege decided to take a division team as well. It's a slap in the face that someone you trained for 10 years would take a rival team as their first head coaching job.Take this for example. You're the CEO of Apple. You train someone for 10 years to be your successor and the future for iPod. But this year, your protege decides to go to Microsoft and develop the Zune dubbed the "iPod killer." Wouldn't you be extremely pissed off?
Re: Seymore: "They outcoached us" <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Nov 14 2006, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ADrop hit the nail on the head.Mangini is in the same division and knows every single trick Belicheck has. Crennel, Weis and Saban aren't even close to having the same amount of history or proximity to Belicheck. Mangini knows everything. The defensive playbook and probably the offensive playbook from practice. What does Belicheck have left that Mangini doesn't know? Only those 2 know but obviously it's too little for Belicheck not to care that Mangini knows a lot.</div>It's partly that, but it's mostly that it's New York. Not Miami or Buffalo, but New York. He's had a beef with NY for a while for obvious reasons.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Nov 14 2006, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't deny, you'd be pretty pissed if your protege decided to take a division team as well. It's a slap in the face that someone you trained for 10 years would take a rival team as their first head coaching job.Take this for example. You're the CEO of Apple. You train someone for 10 years to be your successor and the future for iPod. But this year, your protege decides to go to Microsoft and develop the Zune dubbed the "iPod killer." Wouldn't you be extremely pissed off?</div>You're allowed to be pissed for like a week, maybe a month... but you've known the guy for over a decade (they both worked under Parcells before BB was a head coach at New England). Mangini got a job offer that quadrupled his pay and gave him a big promotion. You're allowed to be mad for a little bit that one of your assistants that you've known for years left for the money, but for Pete's sake show a little a reason and be happy for someone who you've counted as your friend for a decade. I don't agree with your analogy of the CEO, this one makes more sense:You are a Lawyer at a big-time law firm. And a guy who has worked with or under you for a decade leaves for a partnership at a rival law firm. Yeah, it sucks and it stings for a little bit. But he was your friend and he got the job offer of a life time. A partnership at a very young age, a huge increase in salary and status. You should be happy for him if you have any kind of a soul.But that's not Bill Belichick. He uses and throws away everyone he wants. He treats players like they don't matter, yells at and belittles his coaching staff in practice, and then expects the utmost loyalty to himself. He's a great coach but a horrible person. No wonder his wife left him, his son is a dopehead, and he got caught sleeping with a married woman who wasn't his wife (became a homewrecker). He suffers from some sort of demented God Complex where he expects to treat everyone however he wants and that that's ok, but if anyone does anything he doesn't like then that's some sort of huge sin. He's a horrible person on the inside, and it's no wonder no one wants to be around him for very long.This makes me happy that when Mangini was hired by the Jets the media asked Romeo Crennel if he was a "Belichick Clone" Romeo laughed and said that Eric was his own man, but if he was anyone's clone it was Bill Parcells, not Bill Belichick.Both are hall of fame coaches, but one's players love him and everyone under him (who is a legitimate person, IE not TO) loves working for him despite his hard ass mentality, while the other does nothing but leave former players and coaches scorned. There is a reason players who played for Parcells in the past want to go back to him, but the same is not true for Belichick.
