Forward Shawn Marion has attracted a lot of interest this month as teams such as the Clippers and Warriors have contacted the Heat, according to The Miami Herald. The Heat have to decide if dealing Marion for help now is better than signing him to a long-term deal or allowing his contract to expire for salary cap relief next summer. Both the Lakers and Raptors have expressed interest in Marion, as well, but Toronto is likely out of contention after dealing T.J. Ford for Jermaine O'Neal. So what´s ur opinion ---- Marion or Artest ??? Who would u like to see in the purple and Gold??
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 13 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marion and Artest are both pipe dreams, but if I had to pick one, give me Artest for his defense.</div> That's a tough one. If I HAD to pick one, Artest b/c of his work ethic. Although I LOVE Marion's explosiveness, and he's a quality defender as well...
How would you get Marion? Through Gasol or Bynum? I doubt the Heat would want Odom back. Actually, a Gasol-for-Marion deal would probably be good for both teams.
Like I said, it's a pipe dream. I don't see it happening, but Pat Riley and Dwyane Wade both love Lamar Odom, so who knows. I can wish...
Haha. Marion leaves PHX, a perennial championship contender because he wanted more touches, since he was the third best player on the team.... to come to the Lakers, on which he'll be the 4th best player on the teamm AND he has to contend with Bryant.
Marion left for more than just wanting the ball more. He and D'Antoni never really got along and apparently wasn't all the pleasant in the locker room from things that I'd heard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 13 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How would you get Marion? Through Gasol or Bynum? I doubt the Heat would want Odom back. Actually, a Gasol-for-Marion deal would probably be good for both teams.</div> I actually don't doubt the Heat wanting Odom back. Pat Riley is a huge fan of Odom and the chemistry between Wade and Odom was pretty damn good the one year they played together.
ARTEST. Why? -Cheaper -We will get a role player like Kenny Thomas if we trade for him since Sac will want to dump salary.
I'd hate it if he went to the Lakers. They'd become an absolute beast team. Fisher, Kobe, Artest, Gasol, Bynum would be the scariest team in the league. A veteran point guard that could shoot. The best player in the game. One of the best defenders in the game. And two 7 footers that can rebound and score. If the Warriors or Nets would be contenders, I'd be scared as hell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jul 13 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 13 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How would you get Marion? Through Gasol or Bynum? I doubt the Heat would want Odom back. Actually, a Gasol-for-Marion deal would probably be good for both teams.</div> I actually don't doubt the Heat wanting Odom back. Pat Riley is a huge fan of Odom and the chemistry between Wade and Odom was pretty damn good the one year they played together. </div> That makes sense. I think it'd still be in both teams' best interests to try to swap Marion for Gasol though. Like I've been saying since he was drafted, Gasol's ridiculously talented offensively for a player his size, but his lack of defense is going to make it hard for any team to win a title with him on the roster. He's also weak mentally and just brings a really negative attitude to whatever team he's on. It'd work better for Miami too from multiple perspectives. For one, Gasol would work better with Beasley than Odom would, and for another, Gasol would blow up in the Miami market. I can see it now: "Wade to Gasol... caliente!!!" You also have to think, if they swung Gasol for Marion, it'd also leave room open for a potential Artest for Odom deal. PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Marion C - Bynum That's a hell of a lot better than what the Lakers are working with right now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jul 13 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 13 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How would you get Marion? Through Gasol or Bynum? I doubt the Heat would want Odom back. Actually, a Gasol-for-Marion deal would probably be good for both teams.</div> I actually don't doubt the Heat wanting Odom back. Pat Riley is a huge fan of Odom and the chemistry between Wade and Odom was pretty damn good the one year they played together. </div> That makes sense. I think it'd still be in both teams' best interests to try to swap Marion for Gasol though. Like I've been saying since he was drafted, Gasol's ridiculously talented offensively for a player his size, but his lack of defense is going to make it hard for any team to win a title with him on the roster. He's also weak mentally and just brings a really negative attitude to whatever team he's on. It'd work better for Miami too from multiple perspectives. For one, Gasol would work better with Beasley than Odom would, and for another, Gasol would blow up in the Miami market. I can see it now: "Wade to Gasol... caliente!!!" You also have to think, if they swung Gasol for Marion, it'd also leave room open for a potential Artest for Odom deal. PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Marion C - Bynum That's a hell of a lot better than what the Lakers are working with right now. </div> Erm... do you think the Lakers are that stupid that they'd make a LEGIT title contender in Miami if they gave them Gasol??? Wade, Beasley, Gasol, Haslem, Blount would make some noise in the league and WOULD contend against the lakers fisher, kobe, marion, odom, bynum
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23 @ Jul 14 2008, 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jul 13 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 13 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How would you get Marion? Through Gasol or Bynum? I doubt the Heat would want Odom back. Actually, a Gasol-for-Marion deal would probably be good for both teams.</div> I actually don't doubt the Heat wanting Odom back. Pat Riley is a huge fan of Odom and the chemistry between Wade and Odom was pretty damn good the one year they played together. </div> That makes sense. I think it'd still be in both teams' best interests to try to swap Marion for Gasol though. Like I've been saying since he was drafted, Gasol's ridiculously talented offensively for a player his size, but his lack of defense is going to make it hard for any team to win a title with him on the roster. He's also weak mentally and just brings a really negative attitude to whatever team he's on. It'd work better for Miami too from multiple perspectives. For one, Gasol would work better with Beasley than Odom would, and for another, Gasol would blow up in the Miami market. I can see it now: "Wade to Gasol... caliente!!!" You also have to think, if they swung Gasol for Marion, it'd also leave room open for a potential Artest for Odom deal. PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Marion C - Bynum That's a hell of a lot better than what the Lakers are working with right now. </div> Erm... do you think the Lakers are that stupid that they'd make a LEGIT title contender in Miami if they gave them Gasol??? Wade, Beasley, Gasol, Haslem, Blount would make some noise in the league and WOULD contend against the lakers fisher, kobe, marion, odom, bynum </div> That team has a lot of holes and no depth, even with Gasol, and their frontline defense would be awful. I'd rate them as a #4-8 rated team in the East with a core like that this season, and maybe #1-4 three or four years down the road once they fill some holes, but at the end of the day, they've got to get past the Celtics to play the Lakers, who would have a better team anyway.
Kings' forward Ron Artest has continued to lament his decision to pass on the chance to become a free agent and is now hoping that he will be traded to a team more committed to him, according to ESPN.com's Marc Stein. The Lakers are the early favorites to land Artest, especially after rumors of an Artest-for-Lamar Odom deal between Los Angeles and Sacramento surfaced last week. Ron is disappointed that the Kings haven't shown more interest in giving him a long-term deal. "It's weird because [the] Maloofs [were] high on me [after] the initial trade," Artest said, referring to the January 2006 deal that brought him from the Pacers to the Kings. "But during this opt-out time in my career I have not heard from them. That should have been a sign to me that my future in [Sacramento] is N/A or undetermined." "In a way I wish this [coming 2008-09 season] would have been [Reggie Theus'] first year, and [Rick Adelman] would have left this summer because it could have showed how much [of] a winner I am. Guys like Adelman and Rick Carlisle [brought] that out of me. Isiah [Thomas] was going to bring that out of me if he didn't get fired [by the Knicks]. A coach like Phil Jackson can bring that out me -------------------------------------------------- Ron Ron is not even a laker but i have a feeling he would play his heart out on the court for us.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Marion C - Bynum That's a hell of a lot better than what the Lakers are working with right now.</div> How about we just swing an Odom for Artest deal and keep Pau... PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Gasol C - Bynum I actually like this lineup a lot more. Bynum and Gasol create the twin towers, something Marion would not be able to do. I also question the effectiveness Marion will have going up against guys like Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett in the postseason. I know Gasol isn't the best defensively, but I'd trust him over Marion going up against those bigs. Gasol actually did a pretty good job defensively in the postseason. He really limited Carlos Boozer and Tim Duncan, and did a pretty good job on Garnett in the Finals. Gasol was in the post a lot this season playing center, but having Bynum back, he can switch back to his natural position as power forward, and better utilize his mid range game, something he wasn't able to do with the Lakers this season. Also, Marion and Artest both have big egos. Marion was complaining about his lack of touches in Phoenix, and from what I've heard, became a pretty big distraction in the locker room. Artest was also complaining about touches a while back in Sacramento. If you add those two together with Kobe and Bynum, I don't think it's going to work out. There’s not enough basketball to go around for everyone, and somebody’s ego is going to get hurt. Whereas, if we have either one or the other, preferably somebody like Artest who can really help us defensively, Phil can do what he does best and make some compromises, because Gasol doesn’t seem like the type to complain about his touches, and neither does Bynum.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 14 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jul 14 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Marion C - Bynum That's a hell of a lot better than what the Lakers are working with right now.</div> How about we just swing an Odom for Artest deal and keep Pau... PG - Fisher SG - Kobe SF - Artest PF - Gasol C - Bynum I actually like this lineup a lot more. Bynum and Gasol create the twin towers, something Marion would not be able to do. I also question the effectiveness Marion will have going up against guys like Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett in the postseason. I know Gasol isn't the best defensively, but I'd trust him over Marion going up against those bigs. Gasol actually did a pretty good job defensively in the postseason. He really limited Carlos Boozer and Tim Duncan, and did a pretty good job on Garnett in the Finals. Gasol was in the post a lot this season playing center, but having Bynum back, he can switch back to his natural position as power forward, and better utilize his mid range game, something he wasn't able to do with the Lakers this season. Also, Marion and Artest both have big egos. Marion was complaining about his lack of touches in Phoenix, and from what I've heard, became a pretty big distraction in the locker room. Artest was also complaining about touches a while back in Sacramento. If you add those two together with Kobe and Bynum, I don't think it's going to work out. There?€™s not enough basketball to go around for everyone, and somebody?€™s ego is going to get hurt. Whereas, if we have either one or the other, preferably somebody like Artest who can really help us defensively, Phil can do what he does best and make some compromises, because Gasol doesn?€™t seem like the type to complain about his touches, and neither does Bynum. </div> Meh, I hate predicting chemistry but interesting thread anyway guys. I just hope we can make a few moves with Odom's valuable contract and such.
