Should We Sign And Trade Dampier?

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  1. Warriorfansnc93

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    Now that Foyle is on board, should we try to get something out of Damp by doing a sign and trade agreement. Otherwise, we get nothing. At least this way we can get something for him.
     
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    Trade NVE?

    What happened to the idea of trading NVE's expiring contract to a team for a a good player? Its either that, or wait until next year when we have the cap room. I guess that will end up going to extending Jrich and Murph's contracts...
     
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    Unless we get equal or better value, I'll take the cap space.
     
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    I think the management is actively trying to trade Damp. By signing Foyle we used most of the cap (probably about $1 million left) and only have the two exceptions left (the mid-level at about $5 mil and the one million which is actually about $1.7 mil) but we can use the Bird exception to give Damp whatever contract he wants and send him to a place he agrees to. I'm sure that a trade will be announced after July 14th, since you can't sign him yet, but it's not that easy to work out.

    For NVE, no team has really said that they are willing to take in that contract. By strange luck, most teams that were rebuilding had this year for where most of the contracts came off their books. The only teams that admit to being in early rebuilding stages are Boston and Charlotte and I don't see either of them as takers. I try not to speculate too much until I hear some "official" rumors. As far as I believe the warriors' plans were, it was to wait til next season (Uncle Cliff at 5.5 mil, NVE at 11.8 mil expire) and hope for something good.
     
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    A sign and trade makes sense for the Warriors, because Dampier has a lot of interest out there from other teams. They could get some future draft considerations at the very least or get another big man to backup Foyle. If the rumors are true in Memphis, the Warriors have a lot of depth to choose from the Grizzlies. I think adding a Bo Outlaw type player would be a good pick up or possibly Shane Battier.

    As for teams looking for cap space, how about sending NVE to the Knicks. Isiah is desperately trying to clear cap space to improve his team. The Warriors could trade him for Tim Thomas simply to clear cap space for 2006/07 season. Why 2006/07, because the Warriors want to go after YAO.
     
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    How many years does NVE have left? Dallas has Walker($13m) and
    Laetner ($6m) coming off the books next year. I continue to believe
    that Damp and NVE would be a great fit for Dallas, and gear up GS
    for a huge free agent run next year.
     
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    He has a team option remaining at $12,731,125 after this season. As far as next season the Warriors need to position themselves in bringing back their own free agents. Both J-Rich and Murphy will be free agents, and the following season Dunleavy becomes a free agent.
     
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    Dampier want's out of GS cuz he don't like the team cuz it's not a contender, so if he wants to go....let him, I would be more than happy to get him for maybe Harrington?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Duece~2:</div><div class="quote_post">Dampier want's out of GS cuz he don't like the team cuz it's not a contender, so if he wants to go....let him, I would be more than happy to get him for maybe Harrington?</div>
    I disagree, Dampier wants out because the Warriors are not willing to over pay for his services. If Dampier thinks so highly of himself to get paid $10M plus a season, shouldn't he believe he can make the Warriors a contender?

    The Warriors are a playoff caliber team, and they could have very well made it last season if they did not suffer numerous injuries. They were also playing without their two best players from the prior season, yet still managed a respectful season and a run at the playoffs. This is a young team, loaded with talent and desire, who will make it back to the playoffs.

    If Dampier did in fact make those comments, he's only lying to himself and his fans.
     
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    What is he lying about? INDY beein a better team than GS? no no.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">
    If Dampier did in fact make those comments, he's only lying to himself and his fans.</div>Exactly. One season doesn't make you a great player, especially a contract season. He did prove that he can be a real force in the West but he isn't the type of player that can carry a team.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Duece~2:</div><div class="quote_post">What is he lying about? INDY beein a better team than GS? no no.</div>
    He's lying about his reason for not signing back with the team. Read my first sentence again.
     
  13. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    Good posts guys. I hope we just let Damp walk. I'm hoping we can work out something where we can get a decent backup center for Foyle for at least two years. I'm hoping it can be someone who is a little more affordable. Someone like Zendon Hamilton, Ken Johnson or James Lang or even Mengke Bateer even.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">I think adding a Bo Outlaw type player would be a good pick up or possibly Shane Battier.
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    And the added bonus are that Battier and Outlaw's contracts are expiring, so they'd be low risk, which is why they're such likely targets for the Warriors brass. (The only risk being if they played really well, we'd feel bad losing them next year.)
     
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    Bo Outlaw's a good defensive guy. I'd hate watching him make free throws though. Ugh. I think he and Shane Battier would be worth taking. And you know how we could always use more depth at PF/SF in case someone gets hurt. Both play good defense.
     
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    I like Battier. I would rather have him than Dunleavy.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">I like Battier. I would rather have him than Dunleavy.</div>Not suprising. [​IMG]

    :mrgreen:
     
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    He's right Shane Batier is better than Dunleavy [​IMG] Get the real star of Duke.
     
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    With Foyle's resigning, the Warriors don't really need to get a big man in return. Here's my wish list if I were Mullin:

    1. A young, potential allstar at pf (like Kenyon Martin)
    2. A young, potential allstar at any other position
    3. Expiring contracts and future picks
    4. Let Damp walk

    What I would not like is getting good players who have long term deals (like what Swift would be...sorry to anyone who likes him, I just doubt he'll ever be an allstar in the West).

    Basically, if the Warriors can't pry Martin from NJ, and there's no indication that they can, they'll probably look for a deal that allows them to get expiring contracts and future picks.

    Here are two deals that haven't been mentioned at all, but seem to make pretty good sense:

    Memphis:
    Deals Lorenzen Wright, Earl Watson, and an unconditional future #1 for Damp

    Wright's got 2 years left, and while the Warriors would like to have cap space next year, Wright would still be valuable next year as a center with an expiring contract. In fact, he may even be more valuable that pure cap space because it would allow the Warriors to do a acquire a player through S&T (the way Orlando did when signing Hill and McGrady in '00).

    I believe that deal would work for both teams and all players involved.

    Phoenix:
    Deals Howard Eisley, Jake Voskuhl, and Chicago's #1 next year for Damp. Eisley has 2 years left with a team option for a third (so basically 2 yeas left). He'd have basically the same value in a trade next year as Wright would. Voskuhl also has 2 years left.

    I would love this deal above all others proposed so far because it allows the Warriors to keep nearly all their cap flexibilty and Chicago's pick should be in the high lottery again next year where guys like Andriuskevicious and Chris Paul could be available.
     
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    Thoughtful analysis, walker. I'm not entirely sure, but if the Nets sign Kenyon Martin, because he just came off his rookie contract, he might be a base year compensation player. If so, that would make that trade impossible without a 3-way deal. If not, then uh, whoops.

    I like those two trades. I'm pretty sure they both work, too. If I were Jerry West, I'd be unwilling to give up the #1, though, but then if I were Mullin, just those players wouldn't be enough. I guess I'm tough when dealing with myself?
     

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