And for who..There is a lot we can get for him...?..We could get other SG..Putting up just the same amount of points but who would take less money..And leave more cap space!
We already have another SG, Pietrus. J-Rich makes pretty baskets, but his D is horrible as is his ball handling. However, I like the fact that he seems to be playing hard all of the time and does not complain.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">We already have another SG, Pietrus. J-Rich makes pretty baskets, but his D is horrible as is his ball handling. However, I like the fact that he seems to be playing hard all of the time and does not complain.</div> J-Rich's ball handling skills have mastly improve over the past year. Doubt he'll become a franchise powerhouse player but hell he's one of the reasons why Warrior fans watch the game. They like his explosive moves and awesome leaping/dunking abilities.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting openglfx:</div><div class="quote_post">J-Rich's ball handling skills have mastly improve over the past year. Doubt he'll become a franchise powerhouse player but hell he's one of the reasons why Warrior fans watch the game. They like his explosive moves and awesome leaping/dunking abilities.</div> That's virtually what I wanted to say in the first place, he attracts the fans. Sure he could attract trades for either lots of decent players or a few good ones. However he shouldn't be as he has some of the best athleticism the game has to offer. Not to mention how great a scorer he is. However like most of the Warriors, much like the Heat, they need their Brian Cardinal as a lot of them seem to not have the will or heart to win. Mayhaps J-Rich is different, that's why you need to get rid of those such as NVE and get people who you can use both physically and emotionally. Mayhaps or preferred, a veteran who can provide the fuel for the passion through leadership. He's too young for that himself. Although he sure looks old like Michael Finley.
I'd rather have Pietrus at the 2, I think he has more star potential that J-Rich does, I think J-Rich can be traded to improve the depth or the team of to acquire a big man if possible. I have no problem with him being there, but it holds Pietrus back from developing because of J-Rich at the 2 and Dunleavy at the 3. Nick Van Exel does need to go, I don't see in anyway how he will be helpful to the team.
That's too bad because I like Jrich, but I think Pietrus could become a better player as well because of his defensive play and how he's shown flashes of easily getting to the basket. The negatives of Pietrus's ballhandling are a croc because he looks pretty fast with the ball as he does without it. Plus we all know Jrich will command a lot of money if he's got Fegan as his agent. He's statistically the top 5-6 shooting guard in the league. He's become a lot better with his crossover, one-on-one skills, his midrange shot, his defensive effort. He's got the tools to play defense with the shotblocking ability and his speed. He's improved in every category (although slowly and not so much this year because of a couple areas where he took a step back) He was 2002 co MVP with Gilbert Arenas in the rookie-sophmore all star game He was 2001 MVP of the rookie team in the rookie-sophmore all star game He was 2001-2002 back to back slam dunk champion He was ALL rookie first team
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">Unless we get Kobe, not yet.</div> Give him 2 more years to develop and see where he stands then. If he's not a better defender still, trade him and lock Pietrus up for the next 5 seasons.
Im not a warriors fan but i can tell you this Jason Richardson is really something he can dunk shoot dribble and pass like anyone but his only flaw is his defense just a notch better and i would rather keep him than let him go. Pietrus has great potential but so does JRich he isnt at his prime yet.
Trading Richardson based on what Pietrus has done in half a season would not be a good move. All you have to do is look at the impovement Richardson made this year in his ball handling, defense, and his ability to get to the line, and you'll see that he's still a work in progress. I love Pietrus, I think he'll be a great player, but he hasn't done anything to warrant trading Richardson. Dunleavy, Richardson, and Pietrus could all average 32 minutes a game in a sg/sf rotation next year. They could average even more if Dunleavy played some point. That's more than enough minutes for Pietrus right now. Besides, you need more than your starting five to go anywhere in this league. You need at least three quality players coming off your bench. If the Warriors hire a new coach who employs a fast break offense (which I think the Warriors are built to play) then you're going to need Pietrus coming off the bench.
You're right, they could have kind of a rotation that Indiana has, because right now their's no definate center in GS, so you can have the center playing less minutes, and maybe Dunleavy moving to the 4 depending on matchups for a while during games.
I wouldn't trade away Richardson yet. He has developed into a solid player thus far and he's still improving. There are still areas that he can get better on. Plus, if you're going to trade him away, I wouldn't be doing it to get Pietrus going yet. He hasn't shown enough to trade JRich away in my opinion. Though I do think Pietrus will be a good player here very soon, I don't think you trade away Richardson just to get him there faster. Because, for all they know, he could be a total bust, but, that's not likely. So, keep Richardson around til you see how Pietrus will develop and, if he develops quick enough and what not, than consider trading.
All good points. I think what it comes down to is getting the players to understand the team game and making sure everyone knows and accepts their role on the team. If it's a good team that the players feel comfortable in and want to be a part of, then Jrich and Pietrus could coexist without breaking the salary cap flexibility. I'm all about winning, but Jrich is just too damned exciting of a ballplayer to watch. I'd be sad if he were traded, unless if it was for an impact player like Yao or Jason Kidd. I tell ya kidd could shoot 30% and he'd still rock with his point guard skills.
The question is whether you want to watch pretty players or win? J-Rich needs to show better D before you can think about winning because he plays opposite usually the other team's best player and I have seen that guy just go right to the basket on J-Rich and put immediate pressure on everyone else to help out thereby collapsing the team D. With Pietrus, you already have an upgrade on D. I do not want it to be an either or situation but it sure looks that way. As for moving J-Rich to the 3 at times, that is disaster because the only way you can do that is if the player has at least some quickness because he's giving away size already. Well, that's J-Rich's biggest problem.
I agree with the last few comments. I think with the way Jrich has improved every year, he has a good chance to be a dominating player in this league. Petrius has showed some flashes of a nice game, but he has also shown alot more that he needs some polishing.
This isn't the Warriors from the late 90's. We don't need to be getting rid of players just to get them out of our sights. We don't have John Starks, Jason Caffey, Mookie Blaylock of the likes stinking up the joint. If the Warriors want to trade JRich, it MUST be for players who can seriously play and contribute and start. Also if the Warriors want better defense and want Pietrus to get more playing time, why not put Pietrus as the starting SF? Dunleavy is a far worse defender than JRich. Jason Richardson showed a ton of tools near the end of the season. And I think he is primed for a super season. If he works on his shot like he did two seasons ago and keeps polishing his passing and ballhanding(especially in traffic), then JRich has the chance to be an allstar. Being an all-star for JRich might not be easy and likely. But I think that JRich could average 20-22 points, 7 boards, and 3-4 assists next year for the Warriors. JRich has shown that he is a leader and he showed that he could make thing happen with the ball in his hands as he started to become a very good passer, especially to the post players like Dampier. I don't see the need at all for trading Jason Richardson. And if you can't get your player(such as JRich) a good deal, then there is something wrong with the franchise you are running. So trading JRich for the fear of a big contract he could sign, is also dumb.
I don't know about the 7 rebounds a game, I think his rebound average went up largely due to the fact the Cliff Robinson was on the team. Cliff is probably the worst rebounding PF ever, Dampier also benefited from this on the defensive glass, remember when he played with Ben Wallace, Ben averaged 3 more rebounds than he is now. You see how J-Rich's offensive rebounds stayed the same, but his defensive rebounds increased, it happens on every team Cliff is on. Even looking at Dampier, compared to last year and his minutes, their wasn't much of a change in his offensive rebounding, but his defensive rebounding went up about 2.5 rebounds a game, I wonder why? Last year Murphy averaged 7.3 defensive boards, Cliff averaged 3.3, that's about 4 more rebounds to be grabbed, and J-Rich and Dampier looking at minutes together were about +3.8 on defensive rebounds. (J-Rich = + about 1.3, Dampier = + about 2.5) He averaged 3.9 rebounds per game in about 35 minutes, someone has to get those boards. I think J-Rich with an actual rebounding PF would average about 5.3 rebounds a game which is also good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PS3:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not a warriors fan but i can tell you this Jason Richardson is really something he can dunk shoot dribble and pass like anyone but his only flaw is his defense just a notch better and i would rather keep him than let him go. Pietrus has great potential but so does JRich he isnt at his prime yet.</div> good point. Few SG's have the whole package. Maybe some Pietrus will rub off on Jrich.
He is a flashy player and he does entertain. The "boozer 3 pointer" was just excellent and all the other times he made highlights in the same week. I've always hated his defense though even though he's got the physical tools to be a good defender. His attitude has gotten better, but I'm hoping it can become at least better than Ray Allen and Vince Carter because those are two guys that are awesome, but are just average defenders and never manage to take their team deep into to the playoffs. I guess I'm too infatuated with Ron Artest and Bruce Bowen's defense and how they can lock down the opposing team's best scorer to low field goal percentages. Pietrus can be a great defender if he can keep up his aggressive, defensive-minded style of play and work out a little more in the gym. I guess in basketball, hustle or defense impresses me most and then dunking, alley oops and scoring comes second. That's why I like Cliffy, Brian Cardinal, and Speedy Claxton type players. I'm hoping Jrich can impress on defense as much as he impresses me with his awesome athleticism. If he does that will be the true mark of a superstar player.
