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  1. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Stop Online Privacy Act. What's your position. I'm for it, I am pro-intellectual property rights and generally anti-piracy.

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    bluefrog Go Blazers, GO!

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    You're pro-intellectual property rights yet you copy and pasted intellectual property without giving credit to the original author?
     
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  4. EL PRESIDENTE

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    It's another move orchestrated by DHS to shut down businesses, political parties... without due process.
     
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    i will be recording vhs tapes of everything i watch, so in 20 years, if i get a hankering for "bones" i will be allowed to watch it on laserdisk without breaking federal law
     
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  10. EL PRESIDENTE

    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    damn you autocorrect
     
  11. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    I would think the #1 website for abetting copyright infringement is Google search. Are they going to shut that down? Will I be allowed to sue Google if a painting I copyright appears in their Image search?

    Or is it the fact that Google isn't "dedicated" to copyright infringement? If you want to argue that, then you have to prove also that that applications like Frostwire are "dedicated" to copyright infringement, when in fact they are not. They are sometimes used for completely legal file sharing. Guns don't kill people--people kill people. Web searches don't steal--people steal.

    Is it some sort of magic ratio? If 50%+ of your site usage is used for copyright infringement, does it make the site illegal and liable? If so, how do you measure it? Does Google have to provide usage statistics to every court that they get sued under? Would Google really do that, or would they just say "fuck it" and drastically limit their search results?

    And what happens when the illegal sites just throw up a site based in some country that doesn't give a fuck about US law?

    I just don't see how you can enforce this. Every solution just creates more hassles for legal companies, while the shady sites will just innovate new ways to circumvent the law.
     
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    pirate away, I suppose. The main thing it would act is as a deterrant for sites to put in copy-protection type of measures, much like how videos on youtube (and now facebook) will disable audiotracks of music that is the copyright of a music company. They are clearly aiming this at major streams of illegal content. even if the illegal sites set up out of the country, SOPA could kill its revunue by killing its advertising network, then what's the point.
     
  13. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Sure. That's where they are aiming. But that's not what I'll be aiming at with my armies of lawyers and my copyrighted painting that Google is stealing. I just don't see how you prosecute some without persecuting Google.

    As an American consumer, if I can buy an illegal version of Justin Bieber's latest hit or watch the latest episode of Game of Thrones for $.25 streamed from Bosnia, what's this law going to do to stop me? It may take away ad revenue. But they'll just come up with another way to do it.

    Personally, I've always felt the best way to eliminate theft is for each industry to:

    #1. Get rid of middle men (ie, music executives, Netflix, Directv, etc) exclusives and go straight to the consumer via download for fee. I should be able to go to GameOfThrones.com, pay $10, and be able to download the series right from their site. Louis CK did much the same thing recently and pocketed a million bucks for a one-night performance. I do this right now with NBA League Pass Broadband. I buy tons of audio books from Audible.com because it's just easier than trying to steal, not because of some regulation.

    #2. Doing #1 eliminates a ton of your costs. Pass those costs along to the consumer. Make it cheap enough to behave legally that the majority have no incentive to behave illegally.

    The problem is that there are a huge spectrum of middle men who hate this model. It's much more comfortable for them to pressure the Justice Department and Congress to try to punish violation. But you just have to look at the music industry to see this is a losing fight for them.
     
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    No one wants to set up an account with 50 different media companies to download digital content. hell, they tried this with Ultraviolet and people are still complaining about it. Even if a company sets up in some place like Vantanu or wherever to set up a company, they're not going to be making any money and it would be a complete waste of time for them to distribute content if they can't make money off it.

    Google image search is not stealing content, its fair use.
     
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  16. EL PRESIDENTE

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    I thought SOPA is already going to be DOA since Obama said he'll veto it?
     
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    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Reddit co-founder believes it'd be the end of their site: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/reddit-alexis-ohanian-stop-online-piracy-act/

    And if somebody posts a link to Justin.tv of a Blazers game on this forum?
     
  18. EL PRESIDENTE

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    it would be up to the moderators to stop doing so. most sports sites won't let you link to illegal streams. it would target sites like that guy who was selling HD broadcasts of blazers games.
     
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    the web had a good run, now we can just view facebook and look at lolcats on our neuro implants streaming from the central net compliance office
     
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    yes close this site, i think people were talking about a torrent site on here once, clearly a hotbed for illegal pedo freaks
     

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