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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Not a chance in the world he gets the start at two. But, that's what he should say. You don't want a lottery pick saying how he is satisfied with whatever he gets.
     
  3. Natebishop3

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    I don't know if I'd say, "there's not a chance in the world."

    Is it likely? No, but we also have no idea how CJ will do with some minutes. What if he comes out and puts up big numbers? I like Wes a lot, I think he gives the team a lot of heart and effort, but CJ could be a prolific scorer. He has the tools.

    I would actually be happier this year if Lillard's scoring went down a little bit, but his assists went up. There's only one ball and we know LMA is going to get his shots, but if CJ were to average 18-20 per game, I think Lillard might be the guy to give up some shots. I'd be thrilled with 16 ppg at a high fg% and 9 or 10 assists from Lillard.
     
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    I'm not sure McCollum can do it, but our team would be much better with Matthews off the bench. IMO
     
  5. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I think he could do it at the offensive end.... not sure about the defensive end.
     
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    Yes, but unless he demonstrates top-notch defensive skill (something he never exhibited at Lehigh), his tools seem better suited for a reserve role, at least this season. I'd be thrilled for CJ to be a double-digit scorer off the bench.
     
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    How so?
     
  8. magnifier661

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    There is a chance. If Matthews goes down with an injury (hope not); who else will start?
     
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    Going to be interesting to see how the bench shakes out, because Mo is basically a scorer off the bench as well... so is Wright.
     
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    I agree with you in theory about not speaking in absolutes, but this is a case where I think it's quite safe to say "there's not a chance in the world" (outside of the unmentionable).
    Let's say that the unlikely happens and CJ is a prolific scorer early in the season. Wouldn't that be better suited to the bench, where a "go to" scorer is still needed? Putting him in the starting rotation only exacerbates the "only one ball" issue. Putting the offense aside, there's the issue of defense, and here "there's not a chance in the world" that CJ will be a better defender than Wes.
     
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    Obviously Wes has by far the best chance to start at SG this season. After that I am not sure, although I have always viewed CJ as more of a 6th man than a starter. There are a few match ups where his size will be an issue (kobe) so you might as well keep him in that role.
     
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    Well, I think the biggest problem right now is that this team is over-saturated with scoring guards. Lillard, Mo, CJ, and Wes. I think Lillard is capable of being a better distributor, so I think he could work well with CJ. At times Lillard could shift to more of a scoring role and that's when Mo comes in to handle the ball. I've said it before, but I think Wes is the odd man out. A three guard rotation of Lillard, Mo, and CJ is ideal. Start Lillard and CJ, have Mo come in to give Lillard some time at the two, and then have someone like Barton or Crabbe come in for a couple minutes if an overlap is needed.

    There's only 96 minutes total between the two guard positions. Let's say Lillard gets 36. That leaves 60 minutes. There's simply not enough minutes to go around for Mo, Wes, and CJ.
     
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    Possibly, but We may find CJ is the gunner off the bench we need. Or is it that Matthews and Mo might mesh?
     
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    My thought exactly. CJ may be able to 'score like he breathes' (in summer pick up games), but even if you give Wes only an 'average' grade on defense, we would have one of the worst defensive backcourts in the league starting Dame with CJ. I think CJ's offense is needed more off the bench as well -- we don't need him in the starting unit. Let Wes fit in with the starting unit by playing defense and spotting up for threes: the two things he does best. Let Dame be the primary ball handler and back court scorer: that's what he does best. CJ off the bench at SG makes more sense to me. Even if we put Wes on the bench, wouldn't Mo start ahead of CJ anyway?
     
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    Ya, my theory is having good defenders on the second unit to balance out Leonar_
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised to see CJ as the first guard off the bench, replacing Wes. That'll give Lillard and CJ the chance to play together for a few minutes before Mo enters the game at the end of the 1st to replace Lillard. Of course it could be the other way around with Mo being first G off the bench so that Lillard can play off-ball before heading to the bench.
     
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    I have probably stated a million times that I think Matthews is a bench player and not a starter on a good team
     
  18. Natebishop3

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    Here's the problem though; what if CJ is just too good offensively not to play? There isn't enough minutes to play four guys significant minutes.

    Lillard is going to play big minutes. I'd prefer something in the 35-36 minutes per game range. Last season was nuts.

    Mo deserves to play at least 20-25 minutes per game. He's a valuable veteran and I'd like to see him and Lillard play together at times.

    That leaves only 35 minutes for Wes and CJ. How do you divvy those up?
     
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    Mo is tiny, and having some defense out there with he and Meyers would be helpful.
     
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    That's a good point.
     

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