OT Stop Blaming The Poor

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  1. dviss1

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    If the racists in the forum can get past the first black speaker, there's a guy there with a little butter and cinnamon southern drawl next (love that guy).
     
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    I can't even get past the insulting thread title, grouping all poor people into some mythical target.

    We are all unique, and everyone's financial situation is different due to a myriad of desires, actions and causes, from within ourselves and from outside influences.
     
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    There are some good points in that video. Not sure the snarky delivery helps sell the message, but that's irrelevant.

    As the video says, there are multiple reasons why people are poor. I agree that people on the right tend to play the blame game way too much. I also think that folks on the left tend to look for "solutions" in the form of more government programs that don't usually tend to actually solve anything.

    My biggest concern is that too much of the conversation on this issue is based along the traditional left- right' paradigm regarding poverty. The fact is, our society is going to be increasingly dealing with economic and, more importantly, technological factors that are going to have tremendous impacts on folks at the bottom end of the economic range. Moving jobs overseas was the big mover of the past twenty years or so that resulted in manufacturing jobs being lost from middle-America and laid wast to economies there. I think that artificial intelligence is going to have an even bigger impact on our economies. As AI takes over the handling of all kinds of things from driving cars, taking orders and preparing fast food meals, and repetitive manufacturing functions, we're going to see people who are currently doing those jobs get displaced from the employment sector. It's going to be interesting to see if we can adapt our society to share the wealth we generate to provide at least a subsistence baseline for everyone, or if there's going to be an ever-increasing disparity between those who have and those who don't.
     
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    It's done in this forum regularly.
     
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    I agree with this completely. As computers automate more and more, there simply aren't going to be enough jobs for everyone who needs one to have one, if we continue with the paradigm of "only gainfully employed people deserve to eat and have shelter and generally live their lives." That's why I think Universal Basic Income is going to be a necessity eventually. Right now, it's a harder sell when we can still reach what is generally considered "full employment," but in a generation or two or three, I think that won't be the case.
     
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    Real world history and today's reality make a mockery of the notion that technology and/or science will ever result in less employment opportunities for humans.
     
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    Note to MARIS61: We've never had AI before.
     
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    And we never will.
     
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    Don't you get sand in your sinuses with your head down there?
     
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    She's cute. Wanna punch her in the face but she's still attractive.

    I agree with most of everything in the video but myth 5 isn't a myth at all.

    If we want to include homeless people in "poor" I don't suppose ours have it too much better. The everyday work 2 jobs poor American sure seems to have it better than poor people in India for example.

    All the people on welfare at Winco have EVERYTHING I have. Shelter, food clothes, cell phone, car and so on. Some of mine is just better. Not all.

    We really need to slow population growth dramatically if anything.
     
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    Well, Climate change could prevent us from making the three quantum leaps in computing power required before we can begin executing all the friggin code. Since never is too long, I can't speak never but don't need to when we the beginning is confused with heuristic.
     
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    Sorry bro, I refuse to watch anything released by MTV. I'm guessing the 'liberal redneck' is MTV's uninspired attempt to show the world that even piece of shit rednecks from the south can adhere to the 'correct' ideologies, and no longer be pieces of shit. What an oxymoron!

    Thanks MTV, I had no idea there were people in the south that weren't racist pieces of shit.
     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-rate-falls-to-record-low.html

    Black unemployment rate falls to record low
    • The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports 6.8 percent unemployment rate for black workers in December, the lowest in the 45 years the data has been tracked.
    Unemployment among black workers is at its lowest since at least the early 1970s, when the government began tracking the data.

    The black unemployment rate of 6.8 percent in December was the lowest since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started tracking it in 1972, a year in which the rate ranged from 11.2 percent to 9.4 percent. In the 45 years the data has been tracked, the unemployment rate for black or African-American workers aged 16 years and older has never fallen below 7 percent.

    Unemployment rate - Black or African-American - since 1972


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    Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics
     
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    Now that is inspiring! When the labor force participation rate drops significantly, you have to know, we are on track.
     
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    Who gives a shit? I'm supposed to get excited about that? It's still near DOUBLE white people.
     
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    Bad take dog. Tomi is right. Fucking with the National Anthem has inspired me and many to stop wasting time watching football. If I saw a plan that might have a chance to change police policy, that might be inspiring. Pissing off millions of Vets
    is not a plan.
     
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    Yeah, the fact that you think that's some boon for black people is the problem.
     

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