Politics Students march on Washington

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  1. CupWizier

    CupWizier Well-Known Member

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    as well as many other cities throughout the country in protest of no gun control action by Washington. Good for them and hopefully they can wake up the idiots in Washington that are suppose to make laws to protect us all.
     
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    Good for them. Probably didn't need to learn anything today anyway.
     
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    Sometimes real life is the best learning lesson for the day and the students have been very orderly as well as very well organized and respectful. I can't believe some of the schools are threatening disciplinary actions against students who walk out.
     
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    An essential element of civil disobedience is the acceptance of the consequences of said disobedience. There needs to be an element of sacrifice to underscore the importance of the cause; to show that their concerns about gun control are so vital that they're willing to accept any disciplinary actions that might be levied in order to make their point and demonstrate their solidarity. I'm disappointed in the schools that are accommodating the walkouts, because they're actually weakening the students' intended message.
     
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    Vegas schools need a permission slip according to the news this morning.
     
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    I can. It's against the rules. You know...kind of like the rules that the kids want to put in place for other things?

    "Let's break rules and walk out of class, so that we can get lawmakers to make more rules that people won't break, even if they're insane, and "protect" us in our gun-free zone. Because only we can break rules, and only when we want to get a message across."

    I guess I am one of the ones who fails to understand.

    Personally, I'd love it if Capitol Police surrounded the march and arrested for truancy anyone who left before every word of every federal weapons regulation was read over the microphone. You wanna protest and get more laws? Better hear what's already on the books.
     
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    Good for them
     
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    That is so wrong on so many levels . Definitely don't agree with you on this. The lack of any gun control has gone well past its time and something needs to be done NOW!!!!!
     
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    I would invite you, Cup, to read through all of the Federal Gun Laws. And then the analyses of deltas based on gun-free zones. Don't let someone else do the homework for you and distill it into a factually incorrect talking point. You think there is "a lack of any gun control" in this country?

    Why can students break rules, but expect that bad guys won't?
     
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    Maybe not, but it seems like our national legislature needs to learn today.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    As I understand it, at least many schools have written up rules that it followed, allow the students to walk out today. Others are required to protest within the school and others have not suck liberty. So, how can you say or imply that they are all breaking rules?
     
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    Learn, what, exactly?
    "Oh, shit, now that some kids are skipping class to show me they care about 17 people killed in FL, maybe I'll think about more gun legislation?"

    "Damn, I had a super-majority in Congress for 2 years and a mandate from the people to 'fix 8 years of Republican presidency', and I didn't do a damn thing about gun laws, but now that a bunch of kids skipped class I'll go make Paul Ryan change his mind!"

    "Let's be more like CHI in our gun regulations! Oh, wait, a bunch of those were ruled to be unconstitutional? Now that kids skipped class, I'll take a harder look at this!"
     
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    I don't need to know what the limited gun control laws are as obviously it isn't enough and we have had way to many shootings to sit back and sit on our hands. I am 63 years old, never owned a gun and have never been in a situation to need a gun, but I don't advocate taking guns away but feel there are a lot of areas that need improvement in gun control. I see no reason an 18 year old should be able to buy a military style assault rifle when they have to be 21 to purchase a hand gun. I see no purpose for a civilian to own an assault type rifle. I see no reason why background checks can't be tightened way up. Doing NOTHING hasn't worked has it?
     
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    Because unexcused absences are literally defined as truancy. And in the Tampa SD, they can have truant kids sent to Child Protective Services. And if it's "excused", it goes against the hours you are supposed to be taught for the year. If the district records that you didn't complete enough hours, excused absence or not, you're either in summer school or redoing a grade.

    By definition, a "walkout" is not in your seat in class, sitting under teaching of the approved curriculum. How can you say it's not?
     
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    You can't say "doing nothing hasn't worked". A) you're never going to get to zero deaths, so the extreme reduction in gun violence in non-gun-free areas in the last 2 decades is pretty good. B) we haven't "done nothing". In fact, a lot of cities have done a lot of somethings. They were ruled unconstitutional, and didn't work anyway as intended.

    Again, I say to you, people have tried to "do something" with regulations. And it doesn't work. I'm for order and rules and safety. It doesn't seem to work. Infringing harder on my rights because you can't get bad guys to follow the current rules isn't something I'm going to go for.

    You can't say "I don't advocate taking guns away" and then talk about what an 18 y/o or 21 y/o should be able to buy.
     
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    For those worried about students skipping school to protest...I'll counter with how many S2 members are posting here from work......skipping tasks they are paid to do for set amount of time.......should they all be fired to learn a lesson in responsible work practices? What do they learn from posting here? Just sayin'....people breaking rules peacefully is a bit different from violent protest or taking a gun to school to promote one's disappointments. These kids are excercising their freedoms by activism...something the folks who wrote the constitution had no problem doing.
     
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    It does not mean automatically that you weren't in school the required number of hours. Snow days are built into the schedule.

    I guess this means the kids at Parkland are going to have to make up for the time their school was shutdown.

    Why so nitpicky about kids who want to express themselves in a positive manner?
     
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    Good point riverman. Yes there are rules in place for many things, but like what's been said is there are exceptions. Just like the teachers back in the east that walked out in protest over wages. Sometimes rules need to be broken to accomplish what is needed. I would have no problem in supporting my kids in an effort like what is going on. It would be a bigger lesson than anything they would learn in school today.
     
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    Look at all the other advanced nations which all have more strict gun laws than we do and they don't have anywhere near the gun violence that we do. Why do you suppose that is?
     
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    So then should a 14 year old be able to buy a bottle of whiskey and a pack of cigarettes in the name of personal freedom? At some point parameters do make it more difficult for young people to access things that are not good for them ...I don't think an AR15 is such a great thing for young people to own for any real purpose in their lives...apparently young people en masse feel this way as well...hence..march on Washington...I'm proud of these kids
     
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