Date ended: Thursday September 7thTopic (Props to Hang Eleven): Only two games in the NBA's history have been stopped short of completion -- the game in which Wilt Chamberlain scored 100, and the game where the Pistons and Pacers started their infamous brawl. Which was more momentous or influential?Rules: Keep it clean, No need to throw put instults and harmful remarks. You guys can just go at it unti the due date, Debate like crazy. If you both agree with the topic, See if you can prove your opponents points wrong, If you agree to the extent where there is nothing to debate about, Then say something and we will get you a new topic. Good luck.
I was scared about this one. But I'll give it my best shot. Good luck to you Dogma. It has to be the brawl from Detroit/Indiana. Wilt's is just a record that is still alive. The only reason that game wasn't finished is because of the mob on the court. But the "Malice from the Palace" was much more extravagent. 9 players were disciplined. Ron Artest was suspended for the season and playoffs, Stephen Jackson for 30 games, Jermaine O'neal for 25 (reduced to 15 after an appeal), Ben Wallace for 6, Anthony Johnson for 5, and four others for four games. Not only was it a day to remember for the players, but it was hell for some of the fans. Some fought back against Ron, Jermaine, and Stephen. Some were wrongfully accused and beaten. Ron Artest sucker-punched a harmless fan on the court. Some young fans were in tears, as were some of the older fans who couldn't even imagine how this happened. Security threatened to use pepper spray on Artest, and criminal charges were filed amongst many players. Stern acted upon the battle right away. He first made it so Arena's across the nation had to have more guards and staff working and surveying the crowd. The other thing he did was install the Dress Code, so that the NBA would look more professional. I don't know how to word this, but he did not want the NBA to look immature and "gangster." (I didn't want to use that word...) The Dress Code wasn't brought up from the fight, but it was just another reason for Stern to initiate this rule. The 100 point game is an amazing record from one of the greatest in the history of the game. But the fight brought out more emotion from the players, the fans, the security, and the league offices. To me, a record is nice, but a brutal battle like the Piston Pacer fight in 2004 is more substantial and important.
to disagree, i'll have to say Wilt's 100 point game. he created a legacy with that game. A Legacy that will likely never be broken. the closest anyone has ever come is kobe's 81 point game, and he had to shoot nearly every possesion to even get that.The Pacers/Pistons brawl was in a blowout game with about a minute left to play. Things got way out of hand, and now stern is a tight-ass because of it. After this comes the dress code, and eventually it seems like there will be no more individuality in the legue anymore.but back to the point. Wilt's game is still being talked about often 44 years later. no one is going to remember this brawl 15 years from now. Wilt has a display in the Hall Of Fame, you think this brawl is going to be? no way.The 100 point game is thought to be one of the greatest feats in basketball history, if not the best. The brawl in some people's eyes was just some immature players who overreacted to stupid fans and fought them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Sep 2 2006, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Pacers/Pistons brawl was in a blowout game with about a minute left to play. Things got way out of hand, and now stern is a tight-ass because of it. After this comes the dress code, and eventually it seems like there will be no more individuality in the legue anymore.but back to the point. Wilt's game is still being talked about often 44 years later. no one is going to remember this brawl 15 years from now. Wilt has a display in the Hall Of Fame, you think this brawl is going to be? no way.</div>Which was more momentous or influential? That's the topic situation. The fight influenced Stern to tighten security and install the Dress Code. Now the NBA has less individuality thanks to it. Charges, fines, and suspensions were addressed to the players and fans that were involved.The Brawl won't be in the Hall of Fame or anything, but this will be remembered 15 years from now as the largest fight ever.
i know what the topic is. the 100 point game was more influential. That game and Wilt are still idolized almost 50 years later. No one will remember this brawl 15-20 years down the line.Anyone can just go and fight some fans and other players, but no one, not even the greatest player of all time (Michael Jordan) could even touch Wilt's record. It will remain sacred for years to come in the league, and i doubt it will ever be broken.
It may never be broken, but the fight was more influential. It created new rules and tightened security. Suspensions, charges, and fines were all given out. I do think that people will remember the brawl. The point record was more towards the game side of basketball, and the brawl was more towards real life.
The fight just changed a few rules. the 100 point game created a legacy! a legacy that still exists almost 50 years later! I would bet you that 99% of basketball fans know that Wilt scored 100 points in a game before. 20 years down the line, only the true fans will remember the fight. Wilt created history.
The fight didn't just change rules, it created suspensions, fines, and criminal charges. This fight influenced Stern to punish and change the game. The game didn't really influence at all. It created a legacy. It is a record, people won't forget it. But, it was just a record.
all this really did was screw the Pacers and make stern tighten up a bit. No one will remember this. people will remember the 100 point game for the rest of the league's existence.I'm sounding like a broken record, i think this is ready for a judging.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Sep 4 2006, 12:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sounding like a broken record, i think this is ready for a judging.</div>That fine with SunnyD?
Not much more debating left.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>If you agree to the extent where there is nothing to debate about, Then say something and we will get you a new topic.</div>
This was kinda boring to read do too the simplicity of the topic and you guys had some pretty short responses.Winner: nba dogmatist I feel he countered Sunny's points better. Both had good points about the topic but dogma is right, people now remember the record more then they do the brawl.
I am going to say the winner is SunnyD. I agree with nba dogmatist on this point that the Wilt record will be remembered moreso than the brawl and will influence generations and generations to try to be scoring champs and reach that Joe Dimagio 56 game hit streak-like record (in terms of difficulty to surpass) but I felt SunnyD put up a more in depth and thought out response. And to a certain degree he is right that in the short term it has really affected the game and will somewhat force arena's to be more secure.
Well, it appears that I'm going to decide this debate.OK, then, I think the winner is: SunnyD.First of all, I think both guys debated equally. Neither conceded any points. I would love to go with Wilt this time, but I think SunnyD was right in saying this will be more influential to future generations. Dogmatist said that "this fight won't be remember in 15 years", but if you look at, say, the punch of Kermit Washington, that was 30 years ago, and just one second in time, yet it is still remembered (I was waiting all debate to add that).Congratulations to both guys, they both did well.
the general nba fan doesn't remember kermit washington's punch.but anyways, congrats to SunnyD. 2-0 vs. me.
Yeah, I didn't even know about that punch!nba dogmatist- You put up a real good debate, I just felt that Sunny D went about it a bit stronger.
dude, i dont remember that punch what so ever. so obviously, your point wouldnt have turned out to well for you.
