Suns offered Shawn Marion for Lamar Odom

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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">However, league sources said the Lakers will wait out the Garnett saga in hopes they can persuade Minnesota general manager Kevin McHale with the right deal.

The same sources said the Lakers turned down a trade request from Phoenix that would have brought four-time All-Star forward Shawn Marion to Los Angeles for Odom and a second player to make the deal work financially.

But the Lakers balked at that deal, instead offering Kwame Brown, which went nowhere.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said he "thought we got close" to making something happen. </div>

 

My little analysis: <font color="blue">Odom</font> vs <font color="red">Marion</font>

Scoring: <font color="red">Marion</font>
No doubt, the guy puts up more shots (3,000 more shots in his career than Odom) even if he plays 3rd wheel in the offense. More shots hence, scores more points. And people forget that before Steve Nash came, Marion was actually a 20/10 player. Same can be said with Odom with Kobe gone, but we've only seen that in just a handful of games. Marion however has done it consistently over 80 games played.

Rebounding: <font color="red">Marion</font>
Yes, both Odom and Marion's rebounding stats are seemingly identical, but you have to remember... Marion is a 6'7 SF who's also been playing alongside a rebounding monster named Amare Stoudamire, and yet he's still able to pull down 9.8 rebounds per game! Marion also is a better offensive rebounder than Odom by a long shot.

Assists: <font color="blue">Odom</font>
No contest. It's only right that Odom gets the nod on the assist department because that's one of his main roles and talents on any given team, he's a facilitator who finds shots for other players.

Steals: <font color="red">Marion</font>
Hands down. Marion is one of the top defensive specialist out there.

Blocks: <font color="red">Marion</font>
Again, this is a 6'7 SF who has a 3 inch disadvantage to Odom but yet is a Top 20 when it comes to blocking shots! When it comes to defense: Marion >>> Odom.

Ball Handling: <font color="blue">Odom</font>
Odom's one of the few point-forwards out there. Plus, he one of the few players who can go coast to coast anytime he wants too. Marion is more of a catch guy, seldom does he want to put the ball on the floor. With that said...

Off The Ball: <font color="red">Marion</font>
Marion is a better catch and set type of guy. As long as he's playing alongside someone who can give him the ball on his sweet spot, he's automatic trigger. His running games are almost unparalleled.

Finisher: <font color="red">Marion</font>
Marion knows how to finish inside the paint, and especially on a break. He's a high flyer looking to dunk first and dunk second. Unlike Odom, seeing him dunking in itself is somewhat of a rare sight since he loves putting it on the glass. Odom may have an advantage when it comes to driving to the hoop, but he's defintely not a better finisher than Marion.

Post Moves: <font color="blue">Odom</font>
Odom has better footwork than Marion hands down. Odom can do a spin around hook, the up and under, even toss a step back, or a fadeaway every now and then. Odom's a good match-up against anyone in the low-post who aren't taller than him. If only Odom knew how to consistently finish those easy layups, this would've been a no contest. Marion on the other hand pretty much uses the same exact move on the post - spin around semi righ hook shot.

Perimeter Game: <font color="red">Marion</font>
Although Marion has an ugly looking jumpshot, it's a lot more effective than Odom's. Marion's always been a good jump shooter, and a more consistent 3-point shooter. Odom has good range too, it's just nowhere near as consistent as Marion's.

Versatility: <font color="blue">Odom</font>
Odom can practically play every position on the floor aside from SG. He can even play very few sparring minutes at center if need be. Marion is more of a set SF who is also a very under-sized PF at best, but you have to admit that Marion is pretty effective at that spot.

Health: <font color="red">Marion</font>
It's not even close. Marion's played at least 79 games in the last 7 years. The only time Odom's played over 79 games was only twice his entire career.

Play-offs: <font color="blue">Odom</font>
Although I'd want to give this edge to Marion since has 40 more career play-off games in his belt, it's just that seemingly Odom performs better in the play-offs head-to-head against Marion. But Marion's no slouch either, he just seems to disapear when he plays against the Lakers, and matched against Odom.

Contract: <font color="blue">Odom</font>
No brainer. Odom has a 2 year $28 million contract left, while Marion has a 2 year $34 million contract.

Triangle Fit: <font color="purple">Depends</font>

If the Lakers are going into the season with the exact same line-up they have just like last season, then Odom is a safe bet becuase he's had triangle experience for the last 3 years and is the primary facilitator of the offense. Guys like Bynum, Turiaff, and especially Kwame would definitely benefit more from Odom's game, since they won't always have to be looking to create their own shots.

If the Lakers are going to make a play for a great post-up PF ala Garnett, Jermaine, or Gasol (assuming of course they won't have to part with an Odom-type contract) then Marion may actually be a better fit because he can hang around the perimeter and get open jumpers/3-pointers since he's a way better set-up and catch guy compared to Odom. Plus, he can also be the "garbage man" and just hang near the paint collecting the offensive rebounds for put backs like he does so well playing alongside Stoudamire in Phoenix. Marion is a 4-time All-Star for a reason. Plus, his running game is almost second to none. Can Jordan Farmar throw good alley-oops?


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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The same sources said the Lakers turned down a trade request from Phoenix that would have brought four-time All-Star forward Shawn Marion to Los Angeles for Odom and a second player to make the deal work financially.

But the Lakers balked at that deal, instead offering Kwame Brown, which went nowhere.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said he "thought we got close" to making something happen.</div>

Mitch is a ****ing idiot.

I want to slap the dude. I'd take Marion over Odom in a heart beat.

 

wtf mitch. Marion for Odom straight up? Whats the hold up? DO IT!

 

Dude Marion and Kobe got great Chemistry from what I have seen in the past All-Star Games WTF if they dont get KG they better get Marion.

 

I feel like slapping Mitch if he turns down the offer if we don't get KG or JO.

 

It wasn't Marion for Odom straight up. Another Laker player was involved to match the salaries. Read the article.

 

omg, just trade Kobe and everything will end .... so much drama for this retarded thing.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Swish Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It wasn't Marion for Odom straight up. Another Laker player was involved to match the salaries. Read the article.</div>

It says a 2nd player to make it work financially. Still, the primary trade is marion for odom Im assuming. The two primary players are Odom/Marion.

I'd take Marion in a heartbeat.

 

<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">omg, just trade Kobe and everything will end .... so much drama for this retarded thing.</div>

Shut Up!! Kobe is not going to NY ok. Get that in your head!!

 

Forgetting about the Lakers for a second, Phoenix would be downright SCARY with Odom. They don't play defense anyway, so losing Marion's defense won't hurt them much. With Odom, though, they'd automatically become a MUCH better passing team and would open up the offense to their 4th and 5th options.

It works for the Lakers too. We can use Marion's D.

 

There both the same to me, I don't care what the stats say. Marion is nothing without Nash, before people start attacking me for that coment, that is just my personal thought.

 

<div class="quote_poster">The Legend Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There both the same to me, I don't care what the stats say. Marion is nothing without Nash, before people start attacking me for that coment, that is just my personal thought.</div>

I agree with you there, Marion blossoms when he has a Nash-esque player around him.

 

I would take Marion over Odom any day. Much more consistent.

 

id still take odom

 

<div class="quote_poster">The Legend Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There both the same to me, I don't care what the stats say. Marion is nothing without Nash, before people start attacking me for that coment, that is just my personal thought.</div>

I'm not going to go into a big chirade and explanation, but you're wrong. It has been explained before that while Nash does help Marion, he can achieve those stats regardless of his presence. Just look at his days with Marbury.

Also, Marion is a better defender and much more consistent. Another thing is, Marion isn't as injury-prone as Odom is.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree Marion is a lot more consistent and a better defender.

The question I would have though, does Phoenix landing Odom, give them the opportunity to acquire Kevin Garnett?

Marion's been a tough sell for the Suns because of his contract and the fact he made it known he didn't want to play for Boston, Atlanta, and some other teams he's rumored to be traded to.

A third team might be more willing to take Odom's because his contract isn't as high or long, and he's a good player to have around to develop youth.

If a team is willing to take Odom and give Phoenix what they need to give to Minnesota, then why can't the Lakers do the same thing?

Nice breakdown Jordan-esque</div>

I was pondering the exact thing earlier today. Why would Phoenix want inconsistant Odom and dump a all-star player on the Lakers.

 

Ok Mitch Kupchak is officially the town idiot...